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#3096243 29-Jun-2023 15:13

My partner had a diesel car for awhile, and it seemed she was always having to top up RUCS. And I drive a petrol car 40-50,000kms per year, I'd need a direct debit each week!

I'm curious where the kms break-even will be when compared to current registration. At the moment it's an all you can eat system for passenger cars. In future some will pay more, maybe some will pay less.

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#3096245 29-Jun-2023 15:17

lchiu7:
Here is one US solution in few states now

https://fortune.com/2023/06/27/gas-tax-revenues-shrinking-fuel-efficiency-evs-states-tracking-road-usage/

The data could be sent back to the transport authority who would then change mileage based on distance travelled and car type.

and potentially on road type for example toll roads. There are privacy challenges with these systems. Those challenges are not terribly hard to solve but government procurement and all that can create additional merry go rounds.

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#3096247 29-Jun-2023 15:22

gzt:
My partner had a diesel car for awhile, and it seemed she was always having to top up RUCS. And I drive a petrol car 40-50,000kms per year, I'd need a direct debit each week!

I'm curious where the kms break-even will be when compared to current registration. At the moment it's an all you can eat system for passenger cars. In future some will pay more, maybe some will pay less.

Not sure what you mean by "break-even" but the beauty of an individual vehicle monitored distance based RUC is that it can be tailored to incentivise/penalise different fuel/energy use, vehicle weight, ICE cc rating, capture congestion charges in regard to real time location and monitor traffic volumes to allow control measures. The technology is available to do all this and more so the likelihood of it being adopted within a changed RUC system must be tempting for TPTB.

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#3096248 29-Jun-2023 15:42

mudguard:

My partner had a diesel car for awhile, and it seemed she was always having to top up RUCS. And I drive a petrol car 40-50,000kms per year, I'd need a direct debit each week!

Was she adding 100km at a time ?

It's really not that hard. We we're doing 50k a year and added 10k at a time. It takes all of two minutes on the website.

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#3096253 29-Jun-2023 16:01

gzt:
My partner had a diesel car for awhile, and it seemed she was always having to top up RUCS. And I drive a petrol car 40-50,000kms per year, I'd need a direct debit each week!

I'm curious where the kms break-even will be when compared to current registration. At the moment it's an all you can eat system for passenger cars. In future some will pay more, maybe some will pay less.

It’s not all you can eat currently. The RUCs are built into petrol taxation.

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#3096263 29-Jun-2023 16:41

So, to change the topic.

We took delivery of a Tesla Model Y this week - So far loving it.

I have an 8A portable charger and most of the time this should be all we need (we dont do huge milage generally).

But obviously when we head out of town will be looking for chargers.

I see some comments about 'bring your own cable' to some chargers.

Presumably something like this.

How often is that a thing?

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#3096265 29-Jun-2023 16:42

gzt:
My partner had a diesel car for awhile, and it seemed she was always having to top up RUCS. And I drive a petrol car 40-50,000kms per year, I'd need a direct debit each week!

I'm curious where the kms break-even will be when compared to current registration. At the moment it's an all you can eat system for passenger cars. In future some will pay more, maybe some will pay less.

you are already paying at the pump.

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#3096267 29-Jun-2023 16:52

robjg63:

So, to change the topic.

We took delivery of a Tesla Model Y this week - So far loving it.

I have an 8A portable charger and most of the time this should be all we need (we dont do huge milage generally).

But obviously when we head out of town will be looking for chargers.

I see some comments about 'bring your own cable' to some chargers.

Presumably something like this.

How often is that a thing?

Most AC chargers are BYO cable, with the notable exception being Tesla AC chargers. I've always got a cable in the car as our local supermarkets and hardware stores have 7kW-11kW AC chargers in the car park, so why not? :-)

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#3096270 29-Jun-2023 16:58

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gzt:
I'm curious where the kms break-even will be when compared to current registration. At the moment it's an all you can eat system for passenger cars. In future some will pay more, maybe some will pay less.

you are already paying at the pump.

Somewhere to the tune of 70c/L according to this though not certain that National Land Transport Fund is directly equivalent to RUCs but seems to serve the same purpose.

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#3096292 29-Jun-2023 17:33

robjg63:

So, to change the topic.

We took delivery of a Tesla Model Y this week - So far loving it.

I have an 8A portable charger and most of the time this should be all we need (we dont do huge milage generally).

But obviously when we head out of town will be looking for chargers.

I see some comments about 'bring your own cable' to some chargers.

Presumably something like this.

How often is that a thing?

A mixed bag depending on what you want to do. If you want at least 50 kW through to supercharger speeds then don't need own cable - they have cables. If you're staying at a place with garage and wall plug then bring your portable charger along and get some free electrons albeit at 2 kW (20 kWh overnight is better than nothing!). I don't see a big role for the 32A chargers, which are used at 22 kW chargers, because you only get 11 kW with your Model Y at them - I haven't done the maths, but unless you've got heaps of time or somewhere without supercharger or 50 kW charger, I'd avoid the 11 kW charger unless you've got ready access to free ones.

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#3096298 29-Jun-2023 17:41

paulchinnz:

robjg63:

So, to change the topic.

We took delivery of a Tesla Model Y this week - So far loving it.

I have an 8A portable charger and most of the time this should be all we need (we dont do huge milage generally).

But obviously when we head out of town will be looking for chargers.

I see some comments about 'bring your own cable' to some chargers.

Presumably something like this.

How often is that a thing?

A mixed bag depending on what you want to do. If you want at least 50 kW through to supercharger speeds then don't need own cable - they have cables. If you're staying at a place with garage and wall plug then bring your portable charger along and get some free electrons albeit at 2 kW (20 kWh overnight is better than nothing!). I don't see a big role for the 32A chargers, which are used at 22 kW chargers, because you only get 11 kW with your Model Y at them - I haven't done the maths, but unless you've got heaps of time or somewhere without supercharger or 50 kW charger, I'd avoid the 11 kW charger unless you've got ready access to free ones.

Also be aware of the payment structure for slower chargers as receiving electrons at a trickle while also paying by the minute can make for some very expensive charging, as this guy discovered: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/fair-go/clips/parking-fee-at-ev-charging-spot-leaves-plug-in-hybrid-driver-bemused

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#3096319 29-Jun-2023 18:47

robjg63:

So, to change the topic.

We took delivery of a Tesla Model Y this week - So far loving it.

I have an 8A portable charger and most of the time this should be all we need (we dont do huge milage generally).

But obviously when we head out of town will be looking for chargers.

I see some comments about 'bring your own cable' to some chargers.

Presumably something like this.

How often is that a thing?

Generally, when you road trip you'll mostly be using DC fast chargers which have the cables built in. The exception to this is if you happen to stay at a hotel/motel that have chargers, but generally most of these that do are using Tesla Wall Connectors which include the cables.

To see a comprehensive map of where chargers are located, have a look at PlugShare and make sure you set your plug filters like this:

On the PlugShare map, Orange markers are DC fast chargers while Green markers are AC chargers

Another good site/app to use is A Better Route Planner (ABRP). It lets you enter the details for your car, along with some general weather conditions (such as temperature), what charge level you're leaving with and what charge level you're comfortable getting down to before charging again. You then enter your location and your destination and it gives you an itinerary of which chargers you should stop at and for how long to give you enough charge to get to your destination/next charger.

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#3097325 29-Jun-2023 19:21

The main use we use the public ac chargers for are if they are free to use and we are at the location anyway, I wouldn't pay for them as we can charge at home for less at the same speed they offer.

With an 11kW on board charger I'd use them a fair bit tthan we do with our 3.6kW limited leaf and recommend a cable, it's things like heading to certain malls, or parking up for the kids swimming lessons, the cars parked anyway, I may as well plug in to the abundance of chargers available and get some free power. 11kW you're talking about $3 an hour but means if you were in a pinch you'd probably get enough charge to get you home instead if relying on a supercharger.

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#3097373 29-Jun-2023 20:06

HarmLessSolutions: Also be aware of the payment structure for slower chargers as receiving electrons at a trickle while also paying by the minute can make for some very expensive charging, as this guy discovered: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/fair-go/clips/parking-fee-at-ev-charging-spot-leaves-plug-in-hybrid-driver-bemused

Yes, but that wasn't the situation - that driver was hogging a fast charger with a car that couldn't fast charge and was just too dumb to understand the problem. That 25c per minute charge is there to discourage people from blocking the charger and denying others the ability to use it. I've never heard of slow chargers charging 25c per minute, if they did then who would ever use them?

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#3098332 1-Jul-2023 16:08

Yet more discounts for the Tesla fleet today.

Base spec Model 3 is now $64,587, while the Model Y equivalent is $69,487. On-road costs included in those prices.

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