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Let us please keep to the topic. As much as petrol prices is fun for us EV owners to look at these days, it is not on topic for this discussion.
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SaltyNZ: If I still had a petrol car, I'd be interested to know where you're getting petrol under $3/L.
Gull has regular sales. Must be one on today as 95 is $2.88 and 91 is $2.74.
I had forgotten about the Auckland fuel tax ... all these people weighing in from the top to the bottom of the country, everywhere except Auckland. :-)
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jarledb:
Let us please keep to the topic. As much as petrol prices is fun for us EV owners to look at these days, it is not on topic for this discussion.
Fair point, my apologies.
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Report recently published on impacts of EV transition on NZ electricity supply, and particularly peak demand (Williams et al 2023, below). Concludes that without additional peak capacity our electricity system "can only support a transition of 16% of the light vehicle fleet to EVs with Concentrated charging profiles, and a 43% transition with Optimistic charging profiles". Their Optimistic charging strategy distributes EV charging load over 8 h from 11 pm to 7 am, while the Concentrated charging strategy distributes the load over 3 h between 11 pm to 2 am. The latter rather too concentrated so the 16% figure seems unrealistically low?
Williams et al (2023), Impacts of electric vehicle policy on the New Zealand energy system. A retro-analysis, Energy Reports 9, 3861-3871
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352484723002251
I only skimmed the report but one option that does not appear to have been explored is a parallel transition of household electric hot water supplies to heat pump hot water systems.
As per another recent article, transitioning to heat pump hot water supplies could significantly offset the additional demand from transitioning to EV's.
https://cleantechnica.com/2023/10/06/a-heat-pump-water-heater-will-save-all-the-electricity-youll-need-to-power-your-electric-vehicle/
The figures in the article are US but not wildly astray for NZ. However, it appears to compare electricity demand per ev with household HW electricity reduction achievable by switching to heat pump hot water systems so comes up with a somewhat optimistic result (reduction > ev electricity demand before adjusting for gas HW supplies etc).
A rough analysis based on average NZ household vehicle and HW usage suggests that switching to heat pump HW systems could offset around 40% of EV electricity demand (below). Allowing for 25% of homes using gas and other fuels for HW, the total offset would reduce to 30%.
Those figures are based on total annual electricity usage. One positive of cutting HW electricity demand is that much of the saving would be overnight and therefore could directly offset peak demand for ev charging. The impact on peak demand would therefore potentially be significantly more than the 40% / 30% figures above.
NZ figures
Data Sources:
Also: https://www.royalsociety.org.nz/assets/134-Alpha-Series-Energy-Use-in-Homes.pdf (75% HW systems electric)
Worth noting that to get to 16% you would have to get 420,000 more EVs on the road in NZ. That is not going to happen overnight. I think we can only dream of 43% happening within the next decade or two. Especially if National get into power and cuts the rebate scheme.
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Our BMW iX1 ordered in April finally arrived at the dealership last week in Auckland and we are going to pick it up on Tuesday taking the Te Huia train from Hamilton and small Uber ride to dealership from train station in Auckland. Taking both kids car seats with us on the train hehe and hopefully Uber wont have an issue with us, fitting in the back seat to lug our kids in it. Dealership handed the freebie BMW Gen 3 wall box last week so we could get it installed early and have 7.2kW charging speeds ready to go when we brought the EV home. Sparky forgot to bring Type A RCD with him sigh so he will only finish the commissioning on Monday now.
I got a comprehensive insurance quote for the iX1 and just for fun Model Y back in April 2023 from our broker for comparison and iX1 was $1375 and Model Y $1275 with $800 excess. The broker did warn that premiums are about to go up during the April quote due to flooding claims being handled. I got a refreshed quote for iX1 yesterday and it's now $1794 via the same broker. Trade Me is quoting $3500 and AA quoting $3800 for iX1 with same level of cover. We should cut the current $350/month petrol bill to $50 with the current petrol car going to be sitting in driveway now as backup for emergency use if EV is out. EV will get charged with excess solar from our PV system for free and should now speed up the ROI on the Solar PV system as well.
@billgates, Does the BMW EVSE have functionality to restrict sourcing its electricity from solar only? If not be aware that a 7kW solid demand can play havoc with your home's consumption, especially if charging is occurring during peak charge supply times and generation is intermittent due to clouds or the like.
https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/
@HarmLessSolutions unfortunately this latest Gen 3 BMW Wallbox has no ethernet port or Wi-Fi built in. It has Bluetooth to manage the wall box via the BMW car management app to authorize charging if needed and other things but currently Bluetooth functionality via the BMW app is only available to users in China. It's going to be rolled out as a software update to the rest of world sometime in 2024. That may show or enable WiFi card if there is one in this wallbox. The only bluetooth functionality available to me right now is to update the firmware on this wallbox using a 3rd party app which makes the wallboxes for BMW.
We have 2 phase power at home, and we are very evenly spread with our load overall. Phase 1 which is where I am getting the EVSE connected, is light on load overall so the 7.2kW will not kill it at all due to ducted aircon, laundry and garage running off phase 2 which is by far the biggest consumer of kW in our household. Hopefully when the new SMA eCharger is released in AU/NZ either next year or in 2025, we will upgrade to that so that I can manage excess charging via solar only or both solar + grid or grid only etc. Via the BMW car app or within the car, I can currently set how much amperage to allow BMW wallbox to provide to car and this will be my current trick to use solar prediction data for the day overall via SMA monitoring app to set amperage on the car.
I have also built the evcc.io German community run excess solar monitoring diversion to EV web service at home now but it's useless due to latest BMW wallbox having no network connectivity while their earlier models did. Atleast evcc.io shows me real time solar pv generation and grid feed data as it's running locally vs SMA Energy app on phone which is on a 10- or 15-seconds refresh interval.
It’s a shame the BMW dealer couldn’t see their way clear to picking you up from the train station in an iX or something😁. That would have plenty of isofix points I would expect.
Im sure you’ll be pleased with your purchase.
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@billgates, We have >9kW of panels running through an 8.2kW Fronius inverter following a recent upgrade that also included an Evnex EVSE. Even though we have 2 phase into the property we've essentially disabled one of them and operate with a single phase. We have 3 CT clamps on our mains supply, for the inverter (to throttle back if our 5kW export limit is exceeded), for the Paladin inverter (to switch the HWC as necessary) and the Evnex (to ensure only PV generation is used when available). We have also retained our old Juicepoint EV charger as its type 1 plug suits our Leaf and it provides a charging unit that can't be remotely switched if that is introduced.
We're finding the system works well and by introducing a little manual input we are getting >90% self consumption and very little import. We have a Leaf and a Polestar2 so are very satisfied with monthly power bills of ~$20 or less.
Worth mentioning though that the Evnex has a 1.5kW threshold of PV 'excess' before EV charging initiates and between the EVSE and Polestar's management systems there is quite a degree of lag. This is particularly noticeable when compared to the Paladin which is extremely reactive and is able to match consumption to PV generation within <100W most of the time.
https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/
billgates:
We should cut the current $350/month petrol bill to $50 with the current petrol car going to be sitting in driveway now as backup for emergency use if EV is out.
I predict it won't be long before you'll be looking at the car and wondering whether the battery is charged enough to start it because you haven't driven it in so long.
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SaltyNZ:
billgates:
We should cut the current $350/month petrol bill to $50 with the current petrol car going to be sitting in driveway now as backup for emergency use if EV is out.
I predict it won't be long before you'll be looking at the car and wondering whether the battery is charged enough to start it because you haven't driven it in so long.
I have an ICE that I drive rarely with the main car being my BYD. But I drive the ICE about a once a month to make sure the battery isn't dead. Makes me wonder if I should buy a battery jump start unit since the EV battery is not going to have enough juice to jump start the car.
lchiu7:
I have an ICE that I drive rarely with the main car being my BYD. But I drive the ICE about a once a month to make sure the battery isn't dead. Makes me wonder if I should buy a battery jump start unit since the EV battery is not going to have enough juice to jump start the car.
You might be surprised - I jump started ICEs on several occasions with the Leaf. Can't do it with the Tesla though as the battery doesn't have terminals you can clamp onto.
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Now that it appears the rebate will be removed what are geeks thoughts on how the EV importers will respond after the rebate is removed
Clearly the EV importers will want to take advantage of a rush whilst the rebate exists but afterwards I wonder whether they will adjust pricing to maintain sales but unlikely to the same value as the current rebate so they can maintain sales?
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