Road Blocks Summer 21/22: legal?

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#2824514 4-Dec-2021 22:58

Handle9:

The two activities are not mutually exclusive.

How do you man a roadblock whilst going door to door helping people get vaccinated?

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#2824517 4-Dec-2021 23:08

networkn:
Handle9:

The two activities are not mutually exclusive.

How do you man a roadblock whilst going door to door helping people get vaccinated?

You work it out.

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#2824521 4-Dec-2021 23:21

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It appears to be news to many that they are.

The MOH paid very little attention when they were told that this would happen. When Māori communities are having to fundraise for vaccination buses there’s something badly wrong.

Initially, that may well have been true, I have been plenty critical of the MOH who I think are one of the most incompetent groups, which has continuously headed downhill under this Government, however, the effort expended to meet the requests/requirements of the least accessible in NZ has been quite extraordinary, and certainly right now, you'd have to be trying pretty hard to NOT get a vaccination here.

In the city you can make some argument. Once you get into rural areas, where the big problems are, it’s much more complex than you are making it out to be.

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#2824540 5-Dec-2021 06:56

The choices and motivations for those in middle class urban areas are different to those living in poverty.

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#2824546 5-Dec-2021 07:48

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networkn:

Initially, that may well have been true, I have been plenty critical of the MOH who I think are one of the most incompetent groups, which has continuously headed downhill under this Government, however, the effort expended to meet the requests/requirements of the least accessible in NZ has been quite extraordinary, and certainly right now, you'd have to be trying pretty hard to NOT get a vaccination here.

In the city you can make some argument. Once you get into rural areas, where the big problems are, it’s much more complex than you are making it out to be.

@networkn didn't say it wasn't complex. He said there has been a big effort to meet the vaccination needs of the least accessible people in New Zealand. Why do you need to try and pick an argument about that statement? How do you know what he said isn't correct?

From what I've seen and heard is happening in rural and remote areas now ( it didn't happen at the start) is it's getting to the point that if you're not vaccinated it's not because of lack of opportunity.

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#2824547 5-Dec-2021 07:55

MikeB4: The choices and motivations for those in middle class urban areas are different to those living in poverty.

I don't think anyone on here is saying any different. I'm not sure those at the MOH who planned the vaccine roll knew that, but thankfully things have changed and the roll out has started going to the people rather than it being the other way round.

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#2824548 5-Dec-2021 08:05

I don't want to get into politics here but a nation cannot seriously neglect and underfund it's public heath services over decades and expect to respond effectively to crisis situations like a pandemic. Then add to this serious lack of regional development over decades results in the issues facing vaccine roll out and general health services in rural Aotearoa and poor urban areas.

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#2824549 5-Dec-2021 08:19

Motivation for the check points is not a mystery.....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300469534/kwhia-harbour-communities-reestablish-historic-alliance-to-battle-covid19

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#2824562 5-Dec-2021 09:40

@MikeB4:

Motivation for the check points is not a mystery.....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300469534/kwhia-harbour-communities-reestablish-historic-alliance-to-battle-covid19

From the article:

"Cunningham was 30 before his elders finally told him the story about how the influenza pandemic had ripped through their community, killing young and old. He says the trauma silenced his elders and, although understandable, the silence has come at a cost. Cunningham believes individual Māori aren’t being vaccinated now because they don’t have the mātauranga or knowledge they need to make proper decisions based on the actual experiences of their ancestors, in the past."

In addition to checkpoints (and the food banks as per article), what else are they doing to overcome this?

"Whitiora says the efforts of Ngā Marae o Kāwhia Moana to bring vaccinators, to make access easier for whānau, have been successful but a stubborn few have dug their heels in She says the frustration of the anti-vaxxers in the area almost makes her want to withhold kai packs, but she remembers the children."

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#2824565 5-Dec-2021 09:54

It is easy to stand in judgement from the outside. Confirmation bias is all to common and I don't exclude myself from that.

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#2824566 5-Dec-2021 09:58

I am going to exit this discussion for reasons.

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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-holidaymakers-warned-to-stay-away-from-regions/UEQS6NLYPF3LYF6OBQHLSGQ2EE/

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#2829788 10-Dec-2021 09:18

aseni: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-holidaymakers-warned-to-stay-away-from-regions/UEQS6NLYPF3LYF6OBQHLSGQ2EE/

One question I'd like an answer to. Are these road blocks going to stop locals, particularly unvaccinated locals from leaving the area and if they do let them leave will they let them back in?

I'd suggest there's a lot more risk from locals especially unvaccinated locals bringing in the virus than Aucklanders who will very likely be vaccinated and or have a negative test for covid.

if they're not going to control the movement of locals, then in my opinion it shows what a farce these road blocks are and they are just a grandstanding gesture.

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#2829792 10-Dec-2021 09:21

Technofreak:

One question I'd like an answer to. Are these road blocks going to stop locals, particularly unvaccinated locals from leaving the area and if they do let them leave will they let them back in?

I wouldn't expect so:

A person from Ōpōtiki tested positive for Covid, it was announced yesterday. They were outside the region when they received their results and returned to Ōpōtiki to complete required isolation with public health support.

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#2829823 10-Dec-2021 10:10

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/testing-requirements-asymptomatic-unvaccinated-travellers

Testing for asymptomatic unvaccinated individuals over 12 years wishing to depart from Auckland, and asymptomatic unvaccinated domestic travellers from elsewhere in New Zealand, can be a supervised rapid antigen test at selected community pharmacies.

‘For rapid antigen tests, the Ministry of Health strongly recommends this is administered as close as possible to the time of travel, preferably within 24 hours before departure.

‘Travellers are still able to use a negative PCR test to meet any travel requirements, but that is not recommended. Using the alternative rapid antigen test will allow our laboratories to focus on processing PCR tests. This will reduce the turnaround time for returning results to symptomatic people and close contacts of confirmed cases as we continue to respond to the current outbreak,’ says Dr Bloomfield.

Big issue largely resolved. the introduction of an additional test method being acceptable for travel will resolve / reduce issues with load on the PCR testing system, and also reduce the risk of results talking longer than the 72 hour window to come back.

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