Easter 4km/h tolerance?

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#171045 2-Apr-2015 21:34

I haven't seen or heard anything about a 4km/h tolerance this holiday period, has anyone else heard about anything or are the Police ignoring this one after the backlash from the Christmas period's "Zero Tolerance".

It doesn't affect me as I am not going anywhere this Easter but for those who are safe travels.

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#1276435 2-Apr-2015 21:36

Yup I believe it is now constantly applied across all the public holidays and they're not advertising any more...

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#1276462 2-Apr-2015 22:07

There was someone from the Police on Nat Radio today. Bullet points: anyone stopped for any reason would be breath tested, speed tolerance will be 4km, all available cars on patrol especially muftis.

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#1276463 2-Apr-2015 22:09

Yup and I think they're also targeting seat belts in Auckland.

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#1276466 2-Apr-2015 22:27

Aucklanders don't wear seat belts?

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#1276472 2-Apr-2015 22:33

Probably a lot don't.... very bad driving here!

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#1276477 2-Apr-2015 22:47

I take the back roads on holidays. Police focus on the main routes. And by main routes, I mean State Highway 1. That leaves the proper roads "fun tax" free!

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#1276493 2-Apr-2015 23:00

I've seen crap driving habits all over the country. Seat belts. Speed. Plain inconsiderate driving. Cell phones still seem to be attached to a fair few ears. Total disregard for road rules. You name it. It's not just Auckland, but it's noticed more in Auckland due to the larger number of vehicles on the roads.

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#1276590 3-Apr-2015 07:39

Stu: I've seen crap driving habits all over the country. Seat belts. Speed. Plain inconsiderate driving. Cell phones still seem to be attached to a fair few ears. Total disregard for road rules. You name it. It's not just Auckland, but it's noticed more in Auckland due to the larger number of vehicles on the roads.

Except when there's a marked police car around as everyone suddenly remembers what the rules are. A much higher proportion of plain cars would help fix this.

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#1276597 3-Apr-2015 08:20

The 4km tolerance has been across all media and on TV, but it's pretty standard now, and I would expect that it will soon become the norm. Police have also indicated however that *any* speed over the speed limit or inappropriate to the situation could result in Police action (i.e. a ticket).

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#1276601 3-Apr-2015 08:35

couldn't care less, if I speed I take ownership of it or don't do it, certainly don't make excuses for why I should be allowed to go over the limit. Anyway I'm hoping to use the bike a lot this weekend so if I get done speeding on that I'll be a proud old fella and gladly pay the fine .

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#1276602 3-Apr-2015 08:45

scuwp: The 4km tolerance has been across all media and on TV, but it's pretty standard now, and I would expect that it will soon become the norm. Police have also indicated however that *any* speed over the speed limit or inappropriate to the situation could result in Police action (i.e. a ticket).

The idea that they can apply zero tolerance is where they lose me. I have no issue with sticking to the limits but a 4km tolerance before prosecution is appropriate. Somehow the Police have their equipment certified as accurate to better than 1km tolerance. That is better than the figure the manufacturer claims in their own publicity and better than most other enforcement. It assumes no other errors due to the actual operation. If zero tolerance was the norm internationally we'd have better speedometers. After all very few countries have limits higher than about 130km/hr yet speedo resolution is sacrificed to fit 250 in :-D

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#1276618 3-Apr-2015 09:24

The most bizarre thing about the entire policy is the distinct lack of evidence to support it. They had a very succesful campaign last year (or year before) in the sense that nobody died on the roads over a holiday period. Since then the road deaths have been higher. Yet they still claim it reduces road deaths... Anybody with half a brain can work out a sample size of one holiday period is hardly rock solid validation for a massive assumption.

Take this one step further, and there has been no data to indicate speed as a crash factor in deaths except when it is excessive, ie. well over the "tolerance" levels.

To me these campaigns are about presence, with a fingers crossed approach to road policing. Publicly it looks like they are doing all that they can, in reality that is far from the truth.

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#1276622 3-Apr-2015 09:30

Most of the issues stem from the lack of alignment between the road geometry and the posted speed. A zero tolerance approach is simply an artificial and blanket ban to reduce speeds on appropriate roads, yet it does nothing for those roads that are unsafe at the posted speed, as an example, SH16 has a design speed of 130km/h from what I can tell yet we're told to drive slower even though the visibility, superelevation, camber etc, actually make us want to drive faster and more importantly allow us to safely... however many of the roads outside of Auckland, especially those that are truly curvelinier in nature are not designed anywhere near 90 yet alone 100 but the NZTA still hasn't reduced their limits (apart from areas with significant crashes).

Really, they need to drop this speed based approach and actually police the roads for bad driving standards and force the NZTA to look at the state highway network from the position of posted speed suitability!