The Decline of Diesel.....Ongoing.

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#237943 26-Jun-2018 08:49

Nissan becomes the latest vehicle maker to phase out diesel.....and focus on electric.

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"Nissan is only the latest manufacturer to abandon the oil burner. Fiat Chrysler Automobiles recently announced plans to pull out of the diesel game by 2021, and Toyota has already begun a gradual withdrawal, with the RAV4 the most recent model affected.

This movement isn’t just limited to cars, either. Earlier this year, German courts ruled that cities have the right to restrict movement of older diesel-powered vehicles. Stuttgart and Düsseldorf have already taken steps to set limits in their city centres. Meanwhile, Paris, Mexico City, Madrid and Athens have all committed to removing diesels from their central areas by 2025."

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#2043917 26-Jun-2018 09:21

Except that car companies are bringing out petrol engines that use compression ignition. Which is effectively a diesel engine that instead uses petrol.

And then there is the fact that petrol cars typically use more fuel than a diesel to travel the same distance. (excluding hybrids) So encouraging more petrol usage will just cause higher carbon emissions.

Good to see more electric vehicles. But still a lot of applications which EVs are not yet suitable or even available.

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#2043926 26-Jun-2018 09:34

Aredwood: Except that car companies are bringing out petrol engines that use compression ignition. Which is effectively a diesel engine that instead uses petrol.

And then there is the fact that petrol cars typically use more fuel than a diesel to travel the same distance. (excluding hybrids) So encouraging more petrol usage will just cause higher carbon emissions.

Good to see more electric vehicles. But still a lot of applications which EVs are not yet suitable or even available.

It's another brick in the wall of the framework of a better automotive future.

Petrol cars aren't better for carbon, but they are better for a lot of other emissions (compared to diesel) that do have major health impacts in large urban areas. Diesel kills thousands every year in Europe.

The growing number of hybrids is a good things. reduce...shave....chip away at it.

We're getting there. It will be 2-3 years yet before the selection really broadens out. It takes years to re-engineer as I'm sure you know.

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#2043931 26-Jun-2018 09:37

It will decline until a major dependent city is struck by natural disaster and the only remaining turbo diesel SUV makes it out alive thanks to the extra hundred gallons of diesel it manages to scavenge.

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#2043937 26-Jun-2018 09:48

I can't see the point of Hybrid. Two Engines, two fuel types.. I believe companies should be focusing on decent range electric only cars if that's the future.

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#2043938 26-Jun-2018 09:48

Don't modern diesel's cause mega $$$ worth of damage if water so much as looks at the fuel funny?

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#2043945 26-Jun-2018 09:53

Batman: It will decline until a major dependent city is struck by natural disaster and the only remaining turbo diesel SUV makes it out alive thanks to the extra hundred gallons of diesel it manages to scavenge.

Nah. Widely distributed solar power is MUCH more resistant to disaster than having to truck liquid fuel around on broken roads.

In 15 years trucks will be able to plug into anything that can make power - solar or wind - and they can be helicoptered in if necessary and make power ever after.

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#2043946 26-Jun-2018 09:54

Aredwood: Except that car companies are bringing out petrol engines that use compression ignition. Which is effectively a diesel engine that instead uses petrol.

And then there is the fact that petrol cars typically use more fuel than a diesel to travel the same distance. (excluding hybrids) So encouraging more petrol usage will just cause higher carbon emissions.

Good to see more electric vehicles. But still a lot of applications which EVs are not yet suitable or even available.

Is that how BMW manages to achieve ridiculously low fuel consumption in their petrol engines?

Do they put out the bad NO2 like the diesels? Or are there other things?

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#2043947 26-Jun-2018 09:55

Linuxluver:

Batman: It will decline until a major dependent city is struck by natural disaster and the only remaining turbo diesel SUV makes it out alive thanks to the extra hundred gallons of diesel it manages to scavenge.

Nah. Widely distributed solar power is MUCH more resistant to disaster than having to truck liquid fuel around on broken roads.

In 15 years trucks will be able to plug into anything that can make power - solar or wind - and they can be helicoptered in if necessary and make power ever after.

LOL, how long would it take to provide a truck with enough power to travel any distance whatsoever?

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#2043948 26-Jun-2018 09:57

networkn:

I can't see the point of Hybrid. Two Engines, two fuel types.. I believe companies should be focusing on decent range electric only cars if that's the future.

Transitional. They can make the move to electric while still depreciating their "stranded" internal combustion engine assets.

Tesla can start fresh as it has no such stranded assets. But existing car makers have a huge investment in ICE tech and plant and labour....and they'd go belly up in months if they tried to get from there to EV in a short time. I can understand that. But at the same time, they need the ongoing pressure of a regulatory nature so they know there is no choice in it.

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#2043951 26-Jun-2018 10:02

Hydrogen seems to be gaining ground as well....

Hyundai & Audi have partnered up to work on fuel cell tech

http://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-news-app/hyundai-and-audi-join-forces-on-fuel-cells

The FIA have hinted at having Hydrogen cars racing at the Le Man 24 hour in 2024...

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/motoring/understanding-the-new-wec-%E2%80%98hypercar%E2%80%99-rules/ar-AAyNjtP?li=BBqd5YO

BMW have hinted at being interested in this...

https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/135429/bmw-hints-at-prototype-return-with-hydrogen-car

Mercedes have a GLC Fuel cell vehicle (available where Hydrogen filling stations exist)

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/mercedes-benz-glc-f-cell-2018-first-ride

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#2043952 26-Jun-2018 10:02

It will be great to get rid of all those poison spewing diesels travelling around our cities that never get above 100kmh for anywhere near to clean themselves. Those things are as big a health risk as smoking if not greater.

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#2043953 26-Jun-2018 10:03

networkn:

Linuxluver:

Batman: It will decline until a major dependent city is struck by natural disaster and the only remaining turbo diesel SUV makes it out alive thanks to the extra hundred gallons of diesel it manages to scavenge.

Nah. Widely distributed solar power is MUCH more resistant to disaster than having to truck liquid fuel around on broken roads.

In 15 years trucks will be able to plug into anything that can make power - solar or wind - and they can be helicoptered in if necessary and make power ever after.

LOL, how long would it take to provide a truck with enough power to travel any distance whatsoever?

watch videos of the Jaguar EV SUV. Torque in far greater doses.

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#2043957 26-Jun-2018 10:11

The new Maza CX-8 comes exclusively with a diesel engine. It’s an even better (increased power and torque, and improved efficiency) version of their well-regarded 2.2 litre, but it will be interesting to see what take-up in NZ is like.

(I’ve got the same engine in my Mazda 6, but balance that out by our main urban drive being a Leaf!)

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#2043996 26-Jun-2018 11:15

Linuxluver:

Batman: It will decline until a major dependent city is struck by natural disaster and the only remaining turbo diesel SUV makes it out alive thanks to the extra hundred gallons of diesel it manages to scavenge.

Nah. Widely distributed solar power is MUCH more resistant to disaster than having to truck liquid fuel around on broken roads.

In 15 years trucks will be able to plug into anything that can make power - solar or wind - and they can be helicoptered in if necessary and make power ever after.

One thing I noticed on a recent trip to Europe, is that solar farms are all over the place - spotted heaps in Belgium, France, The Netherlands, Germany, Italy

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#2043998 26-Jun-2018 11:21

networkn:
I can't see the point of Hybrid. Two Engines, two fuel types.. I believe companies should be focusing on decent range electric only cars if that's the future.

I'm sure you mean two energy sources rather than two fuel types. My hybrid has only one energy source, petrol. It gets 5.2l/100km instead of the 10.5l/100km of the same sized car it replaced. I wish it had a bigger battery and a plug-in capability so I could get to work and back without using petrol while not surrendering its 1200 km range (on petrol) if required.
Can't see myself buying a future vehicle that isn't either petrol/electric hybrid or pure electric. Hybrids are the transition, I just wish Toyota offered more of their range as hybrids, especially PHEVs.

A great start to reducing the harmful effects of diesel particulates would be banning heavy goods vehicles during rush hours.

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