Auckland Council's latest report is blaming diesels for rising carbon particulate pollution in Auckland. But that's a small price to pay for the convenience of being able to drive for three hours non-stop once a year.
Auckland Council's latest report is blaming diesels for rising carbon particulate pollution in Auckland. But that's a small price to pay for the convenience of being able to drive for three hours non-stop once a year.
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Dingbatt:
But don't let that stop you pushing the EV barrow.
I certainly won't, no, because it's the easiest thing we can do to make a difference.
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Where do you get your once a year figure from?
SaltyNZ:Dingbatt:
But don't let that stop you pushing the EV barrow.
I certainly won't, no, because it's the easiest thing we can do to make a difference.
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Dingbatt:SaltyNZ:Dingbatt:
But don't let that stop you pushing the EV barrow.
I certainly won't, no, because it's the easiest thing we can do to make a difference.
No. The easiest thing to do would be to get rid of dirty old diesel trucks and buses. And dirty little second hand diesel trucks and vans imported from Japan.
And while we are at it. Ban the use of wood/coal burning household fires.
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We run euro 5 spec diesels in a closed building most days, and besides the noise, you wouldn't even know they're running. No smell, no smoke... nothing.
alasta:Where do you get your once a year figure from?
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Dingbatt: No. The easiest thing to do would be to get rid of dirty old diesel trucks and buses. And dirty little second hand diesel trucks and vans imported from Japan.
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SaltyNZ:alasta:
Where do you get your once a year figure from?
Clearly ‘once a year’ is hyperbole. However the government’s research (https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Research/Documents/Drivers-2014-y911-Final-v3.pdf) indicates the average daily trip in NZ is 28km. Even an older, cheaper 2nd-hand EV can manage 3-4x that distance without recharging. Those figures were published in 2014 but there is no reason to think it changed to 150km/day in the meantime.
EVs *are viable* for daily use. And for occasional use you can still keep your truck. We do. It just only gets driven maybe once a month.
I walk or use public transport for 'daily use', and my diesel car for trips out of town every couple of months. No need for an EV until the longer range ones are at least $20k cheaper than they are now.
SaltyNZ:Dingbatt: No. The easiest thing to do would be to get rid of dirty old diesel trucks and buses. And dirty little second hand diesel trucks and vans imported from Japan.
And replace them with electrics.
But only if your electricity doesn't come from coal.
Dingbatt:
No. The easiest thing to do would be to get rid of dirty old diesel trucks and buses. And dirty little second hand diesel trucks and vans imported from Japan.
And while we are at it.
If we had more stringent pollution testing of motor vehicles then could push a lot of poorly maintained engines off the road. I've noticed that it is not usually the age of the vehicle that determines how much it pollutes. Most of the big polluters I've seen are less than 12 years old - they just don't get the engine maintained to the manufacturers recommendations.
I also think we'd find a higher proportion of cars, vans and SUVs, ratjer than trucks and buses, would be banned from the road.
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Dingbatt:
No. The easiest thing to do would be to get rid of dirty old diesel trucks and buses. And dirty little second hand diesel trucks and vans imported from Japan.
And while we are at it.
If we had more stringent pollution testing of motor vehicles then could push a lot of poorly maintained engines off the road. I've noticed that it is not usually the age of the vehicle that determines how much it pollutes. Most of the big polluters I've seen are less than 12 years old - they just don't get the engine maintained to the manufacturers recommendations.
I also think we'd find a higher proportion of cars, vans and SUVs, ratjer than trucks and buses, would be banned from the road.
You left off the list late model vehicles from the VW Group.
blakamin:
SaltyNZ:Dingbatt: No. The easiest thing to do would be to get rid of dirty old diesel trucks and buses. And dirty little second hand diesel trucks and vans imported from Japan.
And replace them with electrics.
But only if your electricity doesn't come from coal.
That is not true either: even if you run your EV from a coal-fired power station you are still ahead. For one thing, the emissions are now concentrated at the power plant - which solves the local air pollution problem, which is the topic of the thread. Also, a large coal-fired power plant is more efficient than a small internal combustion engine, and thirdly, an EV is more efficient still. So while it is true that there is more benefit to EV driving if your power is renewable, you are still better off even if it isn't.
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alasta:
I walk or use public transport for 'daily use', and my diesel car for trips out of town every couple of months. No need for an EV until the longer range ones are at least $20k cheaper than they are now.
If I was to drive from my place to Silverdale and catch a bus to work, it would be $6.20 each way. To drive the Leaf the whole way and back costs about $3.30. It is therefore around $9 cheaper a day to drive the EV than it is to use public transport. Assuming I paid for parking - which I don't - the Wilson car park at Broadway is $9 for the early-bird day rate, which would still leave me 10c a day better off, and it's at least thirty minutes quicker in the car both ways.
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