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Topic # 243359 8-Dec-2018 00:00

From the Times of London today

"The port of Hamburg is to build an experimental magnetic “hyperloop” track that could propel goods to their destination at speeds of up to 750mph and replace up to 4,100 lorryloads, the equivalent of about 102 tonnes, a day.

The technology, pioneered by Elon Musk, involves firing large carbon-fibre capsules through a tube containing an almost perfect vacuum to minimise air resistance."

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Reply # 2141367 8-Dec-2018 00:27

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Guessing that this is a copycat hyperloop. Rather than one that is actually going to be built by Elon Musk.

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Reply # 2141388 8-Dec-2018 06:33

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The proposed one to transport people will need extremely gentle curves to counteract the G-force from travelling at those kinds of speeds. Fragile goods would require the same also.

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Reply # 2141419 8-Dec-2018 08:30

Where does it go to? inland port?

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Reply # 2141827 9-Dec-2018 05:29

gzt: Where does it go to? inland port?

2000km. Hamburg - Berlin - Dresden - Nuremberg - Munich - Stuttgart - Frankfurt - Cologne - Hamburg

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Reply # 2141831 9-Dec-2018 07:19

"The authorities of Germany’s biggest port in the city of Hamburg are looking into the feasibility of constructing a so-called hyperloop transport track that could be used to distribute cargo from the harbour to inland logistic hubs and the other way around, the Port of Hamburg Logistics Company(HHLA) says in a press release. Together with US company Hyperloop Transportation Technology, HHLA presented its plans to the public to construct a hyperloop test track by 2021.

According to an article by public broadcaster NDR, HHLA estimates costs of seven million euros for a hyperloop station at the harbour and about 20 million euros for every kilometre of the track."

https://hhla.de/en/2018/12/hhla-hyperloop-joint-venture.html

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Reply # 2141833 9-Dec-2018 07:22

Tinkerisk:

gzt: Where does it go to? inland port?

2000km. Hamburg - Berlin - Dresden - Nuremberg - Munich - Stuttgart - Frankfurt - Cologne - Hamburg

Don't. Think. So.

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Reply # 2142419 10-Dec-2018 12:31

DarthKermit:

The proposed one to transport people will need extremely gentle curves to counteract the G-force from travelling at those kinds of speeds. Fragile goods would require the same also.

That would also limit acceleration/deceleration. Two minutes and 12.5 miles of continuous 1G acceleration to get to 750mph, and the same to decelerate, so I guess minimum practical distance between stations is 25 miles.

Hopefully passenger pods are gimballed so that acceleration is always felt as "downward" by passengers and goods?

20M Euros/km is also a strong incentive for straight lines.

Edit: From https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/hyperloop_alpha3.pdf

Planned acceleration/decelerations are 1G. No gimballing fore/aft, so deceleration will be like standing hard on your car brakes for 2 minutes.

For aerodynamic efficiency, the speed of a capsule in the Hyperloop is typically: 300 mph (480 kph) where local geography necessitates a tube bend radii < 1.0 mile (1.6 km) - 760 mph (1,220 kph) where local geography allows a tube bend > 3.0 miles (4.8 km) or where local geography permits a straight tube. These bend radii have been calculated so that the passenger does not experience inertial accelerations that exceed 0.5g. This is deemed the maximum inertial acceleration that can be comfortably sustained by humans for short periods. To further reduce the inertial acceleration experienced by passengers, the capsule and/or tube will incorporate a mechanism that will allow a de gree of ‘banking’

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Reply # 2144584 13-Dec-2018 07:12

eracode:

Tinkerisk:

gzt: Where does it go to? inland port?

2000km. Hamburg - Berlin - Dresden - Nuremberg - Munich - Stuttgart - Frankfurt - Cologne - Hamburg

Don't. Think. So.

May. Be.

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Reply # 2144585 13-Dec-2018 07:15

Tinkerisk:

eracode:

Tinkerisk:

gzt: Where does it go to? inland port?

2000km. Hamburg - Berlin - Dresden - Nuremberg - Munich - Stuttgart - Frankfurt - Cologne - Hamburg

Don't. Think. So.

May. Be.

A 2000-km "experimental magnetic hyperloop track"??

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Reply # 2144593 13-Dec-2018 07:36

*Vision*

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Reply # 2144600 13-Dec-2018 07:42

The OP was referring only to the experimental magnetic hyperloop track - not to the 'vision'. You came in implying it (the experimental magnetic hyperloop track) was 2,000 km.

Not correct.

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Reply # 2144612 13-Dec-2018 08:26

Not correct.

What length of a "track" do you think you need to be "experimental" for a speed check at 1200 km/h? It's maybe not 2000km, but I highly doubt they will do a completely "funny experimental track" in a funny direction and for fun at that price. Do you agree? If not - it's my taxes, not yours :-)

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Reply # 2144628 13-Dec-2018 08:57

I haven't seen anything saying they're going to do a 'speed check'.

The planned use by Port of Hamburg is primarily to transfer shipping containers to/from the port and an inland port thereby removing many trucks from the roads.

The experimental test track will be mainly a transfer station and 100 metres of track.

"The two companies have set up a joint venture to develop and test seaport and inland shipping container operations and bring them to market. They will start by building a transfer station at a Hamburg container terminal and a 100-meter cargo route together with a freight capsule and a loading dock."

https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/companies/test-tube-hamburg-port-to-test-elon-musks-hyperloop-vision/23726756.html?ticket=ST-88299-e2bj2QTJjJQ1UsO6KBZM-ap2

https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/05/hyperloop-transportation-technologies-partners-with-port-of-hamburg-operator-to-develop-cargo-service/

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Reply # 2144654 13-Dec-2018 09:34

That tonnage figure - 102 tonnes per day doesn't seem right. That's only about two trucks. Not 4,100.

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Reply # 2145105 13-Dec-2018 21:55

eracode:

I haven't seen anything saying they're going to do a 'speed check'.

I was too sarcastic. The vision will not happen for a considerable time and what is in the news is ... supposed to be dropped when it comes to high costs. The real background is to find an alternate way for heavily used brigde by trucks (and myself by car) each day splitting the port in two main parts and which supposed to be scrapped in the next years. It's simply a POSSIBLE logistic link replacement within a range of maybe 5-7 km. When it fails, the tunnel could be used in a conventional way.

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