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simonjalsconz

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#288276 17-Jun-2021 20:26
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Have you noticed that UK sites always talk about belt replacement at 100k miles and in NZ we talk about belt replacement at 100k. I am highly suspicious.

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  #2730393 17-Jun-2021 20:30
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It's an easy rule of thumb only. If you want the definitive answer then check the service manual for the specific vehicle/engine combo.




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  #2730410 17-Jun-2021 21:53
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I don't think anyone knows how long belts last. I had one that snapped at 200,000ks in a Honda civic. But I don't know if it d ever changed at 100,000ks

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  #2730411 17-Jun-2021 21:54
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Several different valid reasons. Typical driving conditions in different markets. Vehicle manufacturers with different requirements to maintain warranty status in different markets. Different belts. Aftermarket belts. One or more may apply. Website errors.



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  #2730480 18-Jun-2021 08:41
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simonjalsconz: Have you noticed that UK sites always talk about belt replacement at 100k miles and in NZ we talk about belt replacement at 100k. I am highly suspicious.


For the same car? Do they have the same engine?

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  #2730488 18-Jun-2021 09:07
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I'd say it's just a nice round number that pretty well guarantees the belt won't break if you replace it at those intervals. A lot of these sorts of recommendations are just arbitrary and for liability reasons have significant fat built into them.

 

100,000 miles or kms is for most owners a long period and it doesn't really matter whether it's miles or Km.

I'd also suggest that rather than spend time converting miles to kms when they edited the manual for a metric or imperial market it was quicker and easier to just change the unit of measure.





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  #2730538 18-Jun-2021 10:15
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RunningMan:

It's an easy rule of thumb only. If you want the definitive answer then check the service manual for the specific vehicle/engine combo.



Sometimes even the service manual gets superceded by experience. This is the recommended change intervals for a particular Volvo model "On 1992 & earlier models replace every 20,000 miles. On 1993 models replace every 60,000 miles. On 1994 models replace every 50,000 miles. On 1995-98 models replacement is recommended every 70,000 miles." Looks like there must have been design changes to fix the short initial life. Not sure why 94 went backwards.

 
 
 
 

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  #2730599 18-Jun-2021 12:19
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I've noticed this with servicing intervals too - quite often the NZ service interval is much shorter than the equivalent UK car.  Maybe it's in anticipation of kiwis keeping cars for longer - they seem to depreciate much more quickly in the UK.  The other interpretation is it's NZ importers just ripping us off in anticipated servicing income.  The UK used to be known as "treasure island" by the motor trade because of the significant and arbitrary price differentials between UK and europe, to the extent that it was often cheaper to special-order a UK spec car from a EU dealer and then import to UK, than just buy in the UK

 

Maybe NZ is the new treasure island/archipelago?

 

 


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  #2730633 18-Jun-2021 13:34
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This is largely an academic question and the technical answer to your question is "marketing".

 

Timing belt change limits are normally paired with a calendar time limit which the majority of vehicles get to before the km's are reached, so you may well find that the timing belts are supposed to be done at the same "time" regardless of if it is the UK or NZ.

 

It is not only km's travelled that causes a belt to deteriorate, time causes the rubber and other materials to perish and degrade. Other things also cause wear on belt such as fluid leaks, water or dust getting up around the engine and driving style. KM's are a rough and unreliable measure because it isn't the rotation of the wheels that causes it to wear. For instance sitting stationary in traffic still causes wear on the belt but the odometer is not measuring this. Also driving in 2nd or 3rd gear also causes more wear than driving the same distance in top gear (or coasting).

 

In this vain, this is why some modern cars oil change periods are calculated on the fly by the computer and isn't a hard km limit any more - the computer monitors the work and driving cycles done by the engine and calls for an oil change sooner or later accordingly.


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  #2730639 18-Jun-2021 13:53
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shk292: I've noticed this with servicing intervals too - quite often the NZ service interval is much shorter than the equivalent UK car. 

 

I know with diesels there was a difference because Marsden Pt produced poorer quality diesel than what was legally allowed in Europe, so diesels in N.Z. had higher emissions and fouled their oil quicker than the same car running on European fuel.


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