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floydbloke

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#303967 24-Mar-2023 12:21
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This week I learnt that if you buy a used car with personalised plates that these plates don’t belong to you until the owner completes a Transfer of Entitlement (via Licensys, the plate issuing company).  This is in addition to doing the normal ‘change of ownership’ through Waka Katohi.

 

The long version.  Back in the early 2000s I bought a car of a secondhand dealer with some personalised plates on it.  The plate related to the car model so the original owner had no interest in keeping the plates.  Fast-forward to earlier this week, the car has stayed within the family all these years and currently belongs to my sister-in-law.  She has bought a bike carrier and wants to get a supplementary plate and was promptly told she can’t have one because the plates don’t belong to her, even though the car is registered in her name.  I rung Licensys to see if the plates were perhaps in my name, seeing as I bought the car of a dealer and you’d kind of hope that they’d know about this stuff.  Turns out they must have been just as ignorant of this ‘Transfer of Entitlement’ requirement, the plates are still in the name of the guy that they bought the car of.  Fortunately the woman who answered the phone was very friendly and helpful and said “this happens all the time”.  It’s  fairly straight forward to sort out, all my sister-in-law has to do is sent them a statutory declaration to ‘take the entitlement’, it’s free of charge but a bit of a faff in that she needs to get it witnessed by a JP.

 

I kind of get it, that the car and personalised plates are separate entities but given how often this must happen it just seems a bit clumsy.  I don’t see why they couldn’t build it as an option into the “I’ve sold my car “ process on the Waka Kotahi's website.

 

 





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  #3054082 24-Mar-2023 12:59
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How does it happen with a normal plate?  You don't have to do this extra step do you?  I'd have thought that a personalised plate if you wanted to retain it, then you'd have the extra process as thats when it deviates from a regular sale.

 

 





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  #3054106 24-Mar-2023 13:25
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Waka Kotahi don't actually deliver the personalized plate operation in NZ, it's contracted to a private company. 

 

The pp, while it may be associated with a particular vehicle at any moment in time, doesn't actually "belong" to that or any vehicle, unlike the regular plate.  You don't even need a vehicle to own a pp.  The pp is a separate asset that has it's own legal ownership. 

 

The Kiwiplates website has clear information on ownership and an easy online system to transfer the plates.   

 

      





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scuwp:

 

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The Kiwiplates website has clear information on ownership and an easy online system to transfer the plates.   

 

      

 

 

 I don't think it's clear at all.  There's Kiwiplates and Licensys and they both point to the same phone number 0800 REMAKE so are they one and the same and kiwiplates.nz just a fancy front end?

 

Unless I've missed something, transferring is not actually online.  The 'Transfer of Entitlement' link throws up a few webforms where you put details of the seller and the buyer but you're then presented with a PDF  that's populated with the details you submitted.  This needs be printed, signed, scanned (which you can kind of do on computer of course) and emailed to them.  Not sure I'd call that on-line in 2023.





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  #3054161 24-Mar-2023 14:51
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floydbloke:

 

scuwp:

 

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The Kiwiplates website has clear information on ownership and an easy online system to transfer the plates.   

 

      

 

 

 I don't think it's clear at all.  There's Kiwiplates and Licensys and they both point to the same phone number 0800 REMAKE so are they one and the same and kiwiplates.nz just a fancy front end?

 

Unless I've missed something, transferring is not actually online.  The 'Transfer of Entitlement' link throws up a few webforms where you put details of the seller and the buyer but you're then presented with a PDF  that's populated with the details you submitted.  This needs be printed, signed, scanned (which you can kind of do on computer of course) and emailed to them.  Not sure I'd call that on-line in 2023.

 

 

 

 

I saw the transfer of entitlement when buying a plate for my bike rack. (this is the licensys site)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Back when your vehicle was purchased, it was probably paper.

 

I've got a personalised plate and just moved them to my new vehicle each time (or the dealership has)


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  #3054172 24-Mar-2023 15:43
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JonnyCam:

 

 

 

I saw the transfer of entitlement when buying a plate for my bike rack. (this is the licensys site)

 

 

 

 

 

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Back when your vehicle was purchased, it was probably paper.

 

I've got a personalised plate and just moved them to my new vehicle each time (or the dealership has)

 

 

Yep, and when you click on proceed ( I tried this because I thought the dealer may have put the plates against my name way back when) you get presented with a couple of forms to enter details of the current and new entitlee (don't think that's a real word but you don't actually own it I believe).  There is no online validation of any sort and when you're done you get presented with a pre-filled PDF, they'll even email it to you.

 

This is me transferring a plate to you😉using that Licensys webpage

 





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  #3055236 27-Mar-2023 12:27
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floydbloke:

 

JonnyCam:

 

 

 

I saw the transfer of entitlement when buying a plate for my bike rack. (this is the licensys site)

 

 

 

 

 

...

 

 

 

Back when your vehicle was purchased, it was probably paper.

 

I've got a personalised plate and just moved them to my new vehicle each time (or the dealership has)

 

 

Yep, and when you click on proceed ( I tried this because I thought the dealer may have put the plates against my name way back when) you get presented with a couple of forms to enter details of the current and new entitlee (don't think that's a real word but you don't actually own it I believe).  There is no online validation of any sort and when you're done you get presented with a pre-filled PDF, they'll even email it to you.

 

This is me transferring a plate to you😉using that Licensys webpage

 

 

 

 

 

so, 'slightly' online! :)

 

 

 

What do you do after that - just email it?

 

I'll have to bear in mind if I ever get rid of my plate. Could make it a bit sketchy if buying and selling he plate, as either party could not hold up their end.


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  #3055400 27-Mar-2023 14:15
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JonnyCam:

 

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so, 'slightly' online! :)

 

 

 

What do you do after that - just email it?

 

I'll have to bear in mind if I ever get rid of my plate. Could make it a bit sketchy if buying and selling he plate, as either party could not hold up their end.

 

 

The 'seller' needs to sign it.  I guess they expect the hoi-polloi to print it, get a pen, sign it, take a photo and email it to them.

 

The more tech-savvy may insert an image of their physical signature using their PDF reader, save that and then email it (that's what I'd do).





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  #3055408 27-Mar-2023 14:37
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floydbloke:

 

The 'seller' needs to sign it.  I guess they expect the hoi-polloi to print it, get a pen, sign it, take a photo and email it to them.

 

The more tech-savvy may insert an image of their physical signature using their PDF reader, save that and then email it (that's what I'd do).

 

 

At least it's free. In Queensland, the Department of Transport and Main Roads charges $40 to transfer a personalised plate, and all they do is send the completed form to Licensys anyway!


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