PSA: Jaguar advises to park I-Pace EV outdoor due to risk of fire

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#306113 29-Jun-2023 11:44

https://i.stuff.co.nz/motoring/132444698/kiwi-jaguar-ev-owners-told-to-park-cars-outside-due-to-fire-risk

Jaguar Land Rover’s New Zealand arm has confirmed that it will be recalling all locally owned examples of its fully electric I-Pace over fire risk concerns, with owners told that they should “park away from structures where possible and charge the vehicle outside”.

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#3096255 29-Jun-2023 16:16

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#3096272 29-Jun-2023 17:02

So a couple of these parked under an apartment building start a fire from the basement up and no one can escape the building. Wonder how many parked at the Beehive or under other office buildings. You turn your car off and think it’s safe.

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#3096288 29-Jun-2023 17:21

Typical Jag, if it can't leak oil it'll leak electrons!

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#3096289 29-Jun-2023 17:22

it's not just Jaguar and it's not just cars. other EVs have spontaneously combusted too, but not as frequently.

and electric bikes and scooters have spontaneously combusted too - i have a feeling this is due to water damage as they are used outdoors and during my short time of owning one i discovered there is very little water protection to the circuits - i know someone whose electric bike spontaneously combusted in front of their eyes (lucky!)

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#3096306 29-Jun-2023 18:06

Beccara:
Typical Jag, if it can't leak oil it'll leak electrons!

LG made the battery

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#3097402 29-Jun-2023 20:57

Batman: it's not just Jaguar and it's not just cars. other EVs have spontaneously combusted too, but not as frequently.

Jaguar's advice above indicates the issue might have an association with charging or maybe they just don't know yet. I would not be too quick to blame the battery specifically. Spontaneous in this case may not be correct at all.

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#3097418 29-Jun-2023 21:06

other EVs

exactly as have a lot of petrol and diesel vehicles over the years. Petrol tends to be fuel line faults of various kinds and various smoldering things. Diesel commerical vehicle fires are very common.

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#3097427 29-Jun-2023 21:38

gzt:
Jaguar's advice above indicates the issue might have an association with charging or maybe they just don't know yet. I would not be too quick to blame the battery specifically. Spontaneous in this case may not be correct at all.

https://electrek.co/2022/08/01/jaguar-i-pace-catches-fire-another-bolt-ev-battery-fire-situation/

"On June 16, I plugged the car in before going to bed. In the morning of June 17, I woke up and unplugged the car. Later that morning, I set out to run some errands. I drove about 12 miles that morning before returning back home and parking the car back in the garage, leaving the garage door open. As I was doing things at home, I heard pops coming from the garage. I decided to go see where the sounds were coming from, and upon walking into the garage, I faced a thick wall of smoke. "

"Electrek reported on an early I-Pace catching on fire while parked in a driveway in the Netherlands back in 2018. Last year, another I-Pace caught on fire while parked in a driveway in Oregon."

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#3097428 29-Jun-2023 21:41

Batman: and electric bikes and scooters

There are a variety of well known causes for scooter and bike fires. Wrong charger, faulty wiring, no certification, fake certification, etc. All that contributes to e-mobility devices being the third leading cause of fires in NYC due to the massive popularity of scooters and ebikes for getting around in NYC and doing commercial deliveries. Few people have any need or space for a car.

As a result UL certification and other safety is now required for all micro-mobility devices sold in NYC. The city has a number of other initiatives to deal with the issue. For context that's a population of 8 million, or nearly 20 million if you count the greater metropolitan area. How many devices per head of population not available. I have a feeling rental device rollout has been slow in NYC for regulatory reasons. Perhaps that contributes to increased device sales too.

https://www.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/195-23/mayor-adams-plan-combat-lithium-ion-battery-fires-promote-safe-electric-micromobility#/0

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#3097433 29-Jun-2023 21:52

Batman: "Electrek

Autocar has more info:

- Eight fires known in USA
- No fires known in NZ
- Jag recommends charge outside and not over 75%
- Jag is providing fault detection via software update

It's not clear to me if Jag software updates are menu or automatic in NZ or dealer visit required.

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#3097435 29-Jun-2023 22:01

I saw that it seemed to be the same type of Li-ion LG chem battery that caused issues and a huge replacement program in the chevvy bolt a while ago.
If that is true, why weren't these cars recalled ages ago?

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#3097436 29-Jun-2023 22:11

That is the question. Similar years of vehicle manufacture were affected for Chevy until LG resolved the issue, paid out a billion or two. Apparently Chevy recalled the entire line of vehicles for battery replacement.

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#3097437 29-Jun-2023 22:25

Aha! So, the story is - GM recently stopped replacing batteries after a software heuristic to detect this kind of fault was released:

https://electrek.co/2023/06/14/bolt-battery-recall-diagnostics/

That was earlier this month - approximately the same timeframe as Jag's announcement.

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#3097442 29-Jun-2023 22:32

In summary it's said to be a very specific and well understood physical manufacturing fault affecting a small number of batteries. The software update provides heuristic detection in advance for a fault apparently very likely to occur within the first 10,000 km if the manufacturing fault is present at all.

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#3097506 30-Jun-2023 03:26

robjg63: I saw that it seemed to be the same type of Li-ion LG chem battery that caused issues and a huge replacement program in the chevvy bolt a while ago.

…. and Li-ion batteries causing fires in the early models of the Boeing Dreamliner IIRC.

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