Louis Vuitton Cup TV (and America's Cup) Coverage Discussion

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#3280107 8-Sep-2024 21:10

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Yes, it was great. Some teams including NZ and UK used smaller gybs. Im not a sailing guy but a fan. Smaller Gybs give a gain one way, and a loss the other.

The foresail (or headsail) on these boats is called a jib. A gybe (or jibe, in the US) is a sailing manoeuvre.

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#3280420 9-Sep-2024 15:14

A brief reprieve for Le Boat (or whatever the French entry is called).

Smashed their nose into the water escaping the weather and then rushed to get back out there, then racing was cancelled.
This Barcelona weather is so odd.

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#3280472 9-Sep-2024 16:35

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This may be controversial but the current class/design of AC boats just leave me cold. A couple of minutes interest at the start while they sort out which boat is going to lead the other boat around the course for half an hour.

The technology might be impressive but it's just not that interesting to watch a relatively featureless chunk of carbon fibre with a sail, barely in contact with the ocean, hoon up and down. No sailors to be seen as they hide in the hull.

They've killed off what used to be a quite exciting event to watch. Not unhappy that they took it offshore with what it's become. Wouldn't be bothered if Team New Zealand lost the cup, sorry to say.

To a certain degree, but it is a better format that the twin hull cats they were using prior to NZ changing the boat design. IMO the boats are too small still for something like the Americas cup.

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#3280545 9-Sep-2024 21:39

Handsomedan:

The shifting winds are the killer though - these things don't move unless foiling and a loss of pressure leaves them dead in the water. It makes it boring and the delayed start times are a killer. Also the constant changes of merk placements and finish lines etc are confusing for the layman. If a course is set, surely they should leave it as is.

The course changes are to ensure the course is always pointing directly up or down wind. If they didn't shift the gates to compensate for wind direction changes, the boats could end up sailing away from the mark on one tack just to stay on the foils, while on the other tack they could almost lay the gate in one go. So it's about finding a balance so that no matter whether on port or starboard tack, the boats are always making inroads to the gate as efficiently as possible. One could also argue that it also keeps things as fair as possible so that there is no major disadvantage by choosing the "wrong" direction when coming through the preceding gate.

The reason they lengthen or shorted each leg is to ensure that no matter what, the race always finishes in about 25 minutes. This ensures that the proposed number of races scheduled for any given day can all go ahead within the total allotted time for that day, which in turn means the coverage can all be aired live within the programming slots allotted by each international broadcaster.

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#3280552 9-Sep-2024 22:07

Something I found interesting about re-setting the marks, is that the mark buoys are autonomous, battery-powered catamarans. When the Race Committee wants to re-position the gates, they just send the GPS coordinates to the marks - and the marks move themselves to the new positions and ‘hold station’ there.

No mucking around with lifting, moving and dropping anchors or moorings the old-fashioned way. Also the marks are much more accurately-positioned than an anchored buoy that can drift around a lot above its anchor - at the mercy of wind and currents.

Although self-propelled, the marks are towed out to their general positions each day and towed back when racing is over.

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#3280642 10-Sep-2024 11:56

A weird morning this morning - The French being eliminated after a fairly close start in really light and shifting winds, only to fall miles behind after being unable to really capitalise on the good start; then the Swiss winning by default after the Italians were unable to race after a technical issue right at the start of their race.

I bet the French were wishing it was the other way around - poor buggers had to put up with some assinine chat afterwards from Mr McIvor as they were all sitting in the boat immediately following their elimination.

"Thanks for talking with us - how are you feeling after that?"

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#3281934 14-Sep-2024 08:05

I just watched some coverage of the last AC held in Auckland. Their graphics package seems way better than what is being displayed now, For example this is a very useful graphic I have never seen on the current coverage. Could this be a copyright issue on the technology?

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#3283448 18-Sep-2024 10:47

So...turned on the telly this morning expecting some racing...Junior Americas Cup was on.
Is there a rest period for the big kids right now?

EDIT: Just checked the LV/AC website - they're sailing later in the day after the Junior AC is done for the day.

Looks like there could be a significant gap in senior racing if the challengers for the LV final are locked in today/tonight, as they don't start the Final series of the LV Cup until 26/09

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#3283450 18-Sep-2024 10:49

I haven't been following this closely, however, I am interested, how is Team NZ looking like it stacks up against the competition? What are people giving us as a chance to retain the AM?

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#3283454 18-Sep-2024 10:56

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I haven't been following this closely, however, I am interested, how is Team NZ looking like it stacks up against the competition? What are people giving us as a chance to retain the AM?

In the early regattas they were very very competitive - as in "quite dominant", but they are now at a point in time where the LV Cup finalists will get to have some very valuable racing time, while Team NZ will only be able to train and practice off-course.

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#3283457 18-Sep-2024 10:57

Handsomedan:

In the early regattas they were very very competitive - as in "quite dominant", but they are now at a point in time where the LV Cup finalists will get to have some very valuable racing time, while Team NZ will only be able to train and practice off-course.

Thanks, and because I am feeling lazy and unmotivated, when does the actual racing start for the AM and what format is it? First to 7 or something?

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#3283460 18-Sep-2024 11:01

Big boats will be back tomorrow.

If Ineos and Prada win tomorrow, they'll go away again for a few days and come back to race a first to 7 on the 26th of Sept.

If Alinghi wins on tomorrow they carry on until Alinghi or Ineos gets to 5 (4-1 currently to Ineos).

If American Magic wins tomorrow they carry on until AM or Prada get to 5 (4-1 currently to Prada).

From what I can make of the schedule on the official website, there is only one big boat race each tomorrow (AM v Prada and Ineos v Alinghi) instead of the two per day we've had up to now. There'll also be Youth AC races tomorrow.

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#3283461 18-Sep-2024 11:03

networkn:

Handsomedan:

In the early regattas they were very very competitive - as in "quite dominant", but they are now at a point in time where the LV Cup finalists will get to have some very valuable racing time, while Team NZ will only be able to train and practice off-course.

Thanks, and because I am feeling lazy and unmotivated, when does the actual racing start for the AM and what format is it? First to 7 or something?

Starts on 12t hOctober - first team to seven points.

https://www.americascup.com/events/louis-vuitton-37th-americas-cup

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#3283463 18-Sep-2024 11:05

networkn:

Handsomedan:

In the early regattas they were very very competitive - as in "quite dominant", but they are now at a point in time where the LV Cup finalists will get to have some very valuable racing time, while Team NZ will only be able to train and practice off-course.

Thanks, and because I am feeling lazy and unmotivated, when does the actual racing start for the AM and what format is it? First to 7 or something?

America's Cup itself starts on the 12th of October (BCN time).

Best of 13 races (so, first to 7).

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#3283565 18-Sep-2024 14:42

Handsomedan:
In the early regattas they were very very competitive - as in "quite dominant", but they are now at a point in time where the LV Cup finalists will get to have some very valuable racing time, while Team NZ will only be able to train and practice off-course.

Whilst this may be true, if I know anything about the Americas Cup, it's that the defender NEVER shows their hand early, even if their participation in the challenger round robin races may give that impression.

I am confident that ETNZ did not participate in the round robins in their final boat configuration - they will be using the time between now and the final match to make dozens of preplanned changes which will all serve to make the boat faster (and have already been tested). Of course it's possible that the successful challenger will be planning the exact same thing, so nothing is ever guaranteed...

I believe the weather will also play a part (as it has already). You only have to look at the UK and Italian teams totally dominating the Swiss and USA in the higher wind range the past week or so, yet on the day of light winds the two trailing teams clearly performed better (even if only just to stay on the foils slightly longer). I was pretty certain that Italy and USA were going home on Monday and they both proved me wrong. Time will tell if they can build confidence after those wins but there is no margin for error - one more loss and they are both out.

It's clear just by looking at the hulls (particularly from the bow mounted cameras) that the hull designs for each team are vastly different - a result of each team's own aerodynamic boffins working their magic.

As the European summer approaches its end, the thermal winds will decline and we'll see less of those 10-20 knot days. ETNZ will be well aware of this (as will the other teams of course) so changes to the boats aero packages (and of course sail choices) will take the lighter wind forecasts of late summer into account. But maybe one team will have got their calculations and assumptions wrong.

Do I think Luna Rossa and Ineos are also holding back their final form? Absolutely I do - the Americas Cup is built on 173 years of gamesmanship, secrecy and subterfuge. Jimmy Spithill can never be underestimated - the guy is an ace match racer who loves to win. But because Jimmy has already held the cup aloft a couple of times, I don't think he is as driven as in previous years. However Sir Ben Ainslie is the most successful Olympic sailor of all time, and it's clear from his interviews that his one driving ambition is to return the cup to the UK for the first time in history, and through Jim Ratcliffe he has virtually unlimited resources at his disposal to get there (in the same way Jimmy had with Larry Ellison a decade ago).

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