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  #3369048 30-Apr-2025 07:14
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I think when it comes time to replace the Slash, I'll do some more research and testing of Trail or Downcountry spec etc and see what comes of that.  Maybe even going Carbon for the small weight saving that provides.  I purely went on travel compared to the late 1990's Mongoose DH-ish bike.  Because, you know, travel is the only variable....  So I thought.  Lessons learned and all that.

 

 

I think that's big thing now. It was pretty binary for awhile. Lots of travel, slack and hard work to get up the hill, or twitchy, light, limited travel whippet bikes. Now the down country bikes are slack with droppers. A friend has a 120mm bike he rides in places he shouldn't (be has a 180mm enduro as well) and it takes a beating.

 

I think if I'm sensible with wheel choice I could get away with less travel. Who knows, I've been looking at smart trainers all week, the dumb trainer makes it a little trickier to gauge my fitness level and I don't want a power meter for my bike. Figure I'll make the most of a break from work and improve my base fitness. 

 

 

Other than spectacular "moments", you can definitely under-bike some gnarly trails if you know how to handle it.  You can, but should you?  ;-)

 

My old Mongoose now lives on the Wahoo V6 for Zwift duty.  Is it ideal?  No.  I had to find the biggest chainring that would physically fit the frame so I could have tall enough gears to get any sort of speed on the "flat".  But I prefer to stick with the MTB riding position for my training since that is what I will be doing outdoors anyway.  Plus, it made sense to use what I have.

 

Also wound up the preload on the rear coil shock so it would bounce a little bit less on the trainer.

 

But yes, having have that setup for about a year now, can definitely recommend it.  Your virtual mileage may vary on which training platform you go with.  I'm using Zwift and am quite happy with it for training programmes and rides.  Probably only done two or three actual races in that time as that's not been my focus.  But it makes the difference between doing something or nothing on those wet, cold winter nights plus if you do the workouts, is more targeted than just riding around the local trails.







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  #3369075 30-Apr-2025 09:28
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It's amazing how the travel and geo numbers have changed for MTB over the last few years. 

I had a proper "Super-Enduro" bike from the early 2010's and it was 170/170 travel with a 65deg head angle. 

 

Now you have trail bikes that are 160/150 and have 64deg head angles and enduro bikes that are 180-190 travel at both ends, with 63deg HTA, which used to be DH bike territory. 

 

Trail and Downcountry are probably the sweet spot for most riders, but marketing and peer pressure sees most people opt for a more enduro type of bike with 160-170 travel and slack, long geometry. 

 

I've been to DH parks on hardtails and short-travel trail bikes and to be honest, you can have a load of fun on less travel, but you just have to work a bit harder. 

 

 

 

A lot of the climbing aspect nowadays is less to do with the geo and travel and more to do with the suspension kinematics, anti-squat etc. 





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  #3372111 10-May-2025 19:15
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Quick question,

 

I'm not using my touring bike so much and thinking about getting a cheap(ish) hardtail mountain bike - mainly for weekend riding some local trails and the occasional overnight ride.  I'm not really interested in gravel/sport mountain/adventure style bikes.

 

The basic requirements are alloy, 29", at least 2.2" tires, 10 (preferably 12) sprockets on rear, basic air shocks on the front (relatively important) and hydraulic brakes. I'm not so fussed about componentry brand so long as it works and is reliable.

 

The big requirement is to be able to fit a front and rear rack (I'm looking at the Ortlieb quick rack system as am familiar with their kit) - my carry weight is around 5kg to 10kg (including water).

 

The few machines that I am looking at are the Trek Roscoe 8, Giant Talon 0 (2025), Giant Fathom 1 (2024)

 

 

 

Just wondering if anyone is familiar with these (or similar type machines - around $2k).

 

 

 

I have noticed that mounting lugs for additional equipment is not a thing in the modern bike world these days :)





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  #3372116 10-May-2025 20:03
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TwoSeven:

 

Quick question,

 

I'm not using my touring bike so much and thinking about getting a cheap(ish) hardtail mountain bike - mainly for weekend riding some local trails and the occasional overnight ride.  I'm not really interested in gravel/sport mountain/adventure style bikes.

 

The basic requirements are alloy, 29", at least 2.2" tires, 10 (preferably 12) sprockets on rear, basic air shocks on the front (relatively important) and hydraulic brakes. I'm not so fussed about componentry brand so long as it works and is reliable.

 

The big requirement is to be able to fit a front and rear rack (I'm looking at the Ortlieb quick rack system as am familiar with their kit) - my carry weight is around 5kg to 10kg (including water).

 

The few machines that I am looking at are the Trek Roscoe 8, Giant Talon 0 (2025), Giant Fathom 1 (2024)

 

 

 

Just wondering if anyone is familiar with these (or similar type machines - around $2k).

 

 

 

I have noticed that mounting lugs for additional equipment is not a thing in the modern bike world these days :)

 

 

 

 

mounting lugs are absolutely still a thing - just less so on trail bikes as opposed to touring or XC/commuter crossover bikes. 

 

The Roscoe is a proper trail mountain bike, but if you went for a Trek Marlin, you may get more of what you’re looking for - an XC bike that can handle double duty as trail or commuter bike. 

 

The Talon is very similar to the Marlin. Pretty much like for like. The Fathom is more like the Roscoe in that it’s more trail oriented. 





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  #3372117 10-May-2025 20:06
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TwoSeven:

 

I have noticed that mounting lugs for additional equipment is not a thing in the modern bike world these days :)

 

 

My Dad fitted front and rear racks to his and Mums Trek Rail full suspension bikes.  I think they end up being clamped around the stays rather than fitting to permanent lugs.  But if they can fit full boing bikes then I'm sure they can fit hardtail easily enough.





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I recently bought a Specialized Chisel Hardtail Comp which is a little more than your 2k but may otherwise fit what you're looking for.

 

 

 

https://specializedretail.co.nz/products/chisel-ht-comp-205822

 

 





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  #3372132 10-May-2025 22:15
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The problem with many mountain bikes is the lack of gears as many only have a single front chainring. Older models tended to have 3 allowing a better range of gears when using the bike on roads and non mountain bike terrain. 


 
 
 

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  #3372181 11-May-2025 11:55
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mattwnz:

 

The problem with many mountain bikes is the lack of gears as many only have a single front chainring. Older models tended to have 3 allowing a better range of gears when using the bike on roads and non mountain bike terrain. 

 

 

That is what I thought, was going to look for a double front, then realised it gave more complexity but with the same ratios.

 

My touring bike has a rebuildable rear cassette - at the end of the day one would pull the bike apart, clean and adjust it, then change the sprockets on the cassette for the next days needs.

 

since most of my riding will be on the flat, its really only the front chain ring and the two centre rear ones that are important.  





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The problem with many mountain bikes is the lack of gears as many only have a single front chainring. Older models tended to have 3 allowing a better range of gears when using the bike on roads and non mountain bike terrain. 

 

 

 

 

I find the 12 speed on the Chisel to be pretty good. The only time I' ever think I'd like more gears is on the road which if that was the type of riding you did most, a slightly bigger chain ring would sort that out. 

 

I didn't buy it for use on the road, I have a road bike for that.





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  #3372256 11-May-2025 16:35
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Technofreak:

 

mattwnz:

 

The problem with many mountain bikes is the lack of gears as many only have a single front chainring. Older models tended to have 3 allowing a better range of gears when using the bike on roads and non mountain bike terrain. 

 

 

I find the 12 speed on the Chisel to be pretty good. The only time I' ever think I'd like more gears is on the road which if that was the type of riding you did most, a slightly bigger chain ring would sort that out. 

 

I didn't buy it for use on the road, I have a road bike for that.

 

 

Same.  Going from a late 90's 3x10(or11?) to a 1x12, I thought I might run out of gears but the reality is that there are so many overlaps in the 3x setup that you really don't miss anything but the absolute top end.  But if you need to pedal faster than 35-40kmh (30t chainring - 10t sprocket), maybe just tuck instead. ;-)

 

I did put a 36t chainring on the older bike that lives on the trainer to give better gearing for that.  The 30 was running out too easily.

 

 





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I have the Trek Xcaliber 8 which sits between the Marlin and Roscoe. Rick’s all of your boxes and has all the necessary mounting hardware for touring. 


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  #3372328 11-May-2025 19:59
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Senecio:

 

I have the Trek Xcaliber 8 which sits between the Marlin and Roscoe. Rick’s all of your boxes and has all the necessary mounting hardware for touring. 

 

 

Thanks, I’ll add it to the list.  I see it has m5 lugs by the rear axle that the ortlieb rack can attach to if I don’t want to use the clamps which helps with the rack quick release.

 

I think the rack can handle up to 29” wheel with 2.2” width, but I can’t see why a 2.4” would not fit.

 

Out of interest, what do you think of the x-calibre - any mods?





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TwoSeven:

 

Senecio:

 

I have the Trek Xcaliber 8 which sits between the Marlin and Roscoe. Rick’s all of your boxes and has all the necessary mounting hardware for touring. 

 

 

Thanks, I’ll add it to the list.  I see it has m5 lugs by the rear axle that the ortlieb rack can attach to if I don’t want to use the clamps which helps with the rack quick release.

 

I think the rack can handle up to 29” wheel with 2.2” width, but I can’t see why a 2.4” would not fit.

 

Out of interest, what do you think of the x-calibre - any mods?

 

 

No mods as such, Its quite well specced as it comes from the factory. Especially when I got it on sale a few years ago for under $1k. 

 

The only addition I've made is a Topeak Explorer 29er rack and a Topeak MTX EXP truck bag. Great for taking on a lunch time picnic ride or picking up a few things from the markets on the way home.

 

Topeak Explorer 29er

 

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  #3372483 12-May-2025 16:36
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I threw the Marin Team 1 and the specialized chisel into the mix as well.

 

Also, noticed that many of the bikes are not available, but my local bike shop mentioned that the next container is probably due july/august (which is about when I wanted to get said bike).





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  #3372486 12-May-2025 16:50
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TwoSeven:

 

I threw the Marin Team 1 and the specialized chisel into the mix as well.

 

Also, noticed that many of the bikes are not available, but my local bike shop mentioned that the next container is probably due july/august (which is about when I wanted to get said bike).

 

 

Could be a few more bargains too,

 

Given the tariffs being charged to ship bikes into the US now... stock has gotta go somewhere...


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