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  #2150957 27-Dec-2018 09:22
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That, and cleaning all the shards off the runway. Waiting for the same operator to launch another craft..



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  #2150960 27-Dec-2018 09:32
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Would it be feasible to require some sort of transponder in drones so all drones have to broadcast model/manufacturer details and commercial drones have to have owner registration details as well?

Gives the authorities at least some information to go on.

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  #2150976 27-Dec-2018 10:09
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tdgeek:

 

One drone can only ruin one engine, they can fly and land on one engine

 

 

I guess that would be OK, if the drone pilot was prepared to pay (i.e. insured) the cost of repairing that engine, and recompense 300 people for having their travel disrupted. Incorporate that into the price of buying a drone.

 

But, seriously,hard metallic bits going into a jet engine running at full power would be much more likely to cause an uncontained failure. and therefore potentially bits of jet engine entering the side of the aircraft and killing people.

 

Also, given that aircraft windscreens are designed to cope with bird strikes (cue video: frozen chicken vs aircraft windscreen), but not with a drone strike, what might happen to an aircraft if a drone hit the windscreen?

 

At the same time, I'm struggling to see the benefit of having drones flying around airports in a haphazard fashion. Why should it be allowed? Why should drones be treated any different from other kinds of model aircraft, or even kites?

 

 




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  #2150995 27-Dec-2018 10:26
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Gatwick drone exclusion zone is one kilometer.

https://www.gatwickairport.com/business-community/aircraft-noise-airspace/airspace/drones/

Small. Looks like they also expect all drone flying to occur below 120 meters.

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  #2151001 27-Dec-2018 10:32
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frankv:

 

tdgeek:

 

One drone can only ruin one engine, they can fly and land on one engine

 

 

I guess that would be OK, if the drone pilot was prepared to pay (i.e. insured) the cost of repairing that engine, and recompense 300 people for having their travel disrupted. Incorporate that into the price of buying a drone.

 

But, seriously,hard metallic bits going into a jet engine running at full power would be much more likely to cause an uncontained failure. and therefore potentially bits of jet engine entering the side of the aircraft and killing people.

 

Also, given that aircraft windscreens are designed to cope with bird strikes (cue video: frozen chicken vs aircraft windscreen), but not with a drone strike, what might happen to an aircraft if a drone hit the windscreen?

 

At the same time, I'm struggling to see the benefit of having drones flying around airports in a haphazard fashion. Why should it be allowed? Why should drones be treated any different from other kinds of model aircraft, or even kites?

 

 

 

 

True, there have been instances of debris piercing the fuselage.

 

The rules that apply to drones near airspace restricted areas is the same for other forms, i.e. kites, unmanned aircraft which is RC or string held planes, and operators need to knpw the airspace boundaries and regulations

 

Why is this an issue all of a sudden for drones? Kites are flown by kids, or responsible adults. No one flies a kite next to an airfield its common sense, its probably rarely been tested. RC aircraft are flown by aviation fans, they would know better. Im sure many kite flyers or R/C plane flyers dont know the rules, but common sense naturally prevails. Drones however are open to sensible people and idiots. Everyone knows there are airspace issues and other local council rules, its been well publicised, but idiots are unleashed on to devices that can go a long way, and because of the built in stability, any novice can send one a long way, or a long way up


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  #2151065 27-Dec-2018 11:55
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Why is this an issue all of a sudden for drones?

 

 

I think you're right. Drones are accessible to the general public, with extensive capabilities (time, range, etc) but comparatively little skill needed. RC and other model aircraft require a fair bit of skill to be learned (unless things have changed a lot since my youth), which led to people being in clubs where they had some rules around them and learned some "common sense" from the old hands. There was also a lot of time invested in building models, whereas with drones it's just spending money.

 

Similarly kites... flying a kite above 400ft would require a really big kite and a lot of (probably kevlar?) string, and a lot of effort in winding and unwinding it. Whilst a kite enthusiast might achieve 400ft, it's not something a kid would be able to do.

 

 


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  #2151074 27-Dec-2018 12:23
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tdgeek:


Why is this an issue all of a sudden for drones?




I wonder what would happen if tdgeek tried to run his RC car on the formula 1 track during a race and his excuse was has anyone been killed by a RC car, and the worst that could happen is a punctured tyre, the car has 3 more tyres.

 
 
 

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  #2151086 27-Dec-2018 12:40
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Batman: >
tdgeek:

 

Why is this an issue all of a sudden for drones?

 

 

 



I wonder what would happen if tdgeek tried to run his RC car on the formula 1 track during a race and his excuse was has anyone been killed by a RC car, and the worst that could happen is a punctured tyre, the car has 3 more tyres.

 

LOL, having a bad day??

 

I said "One drone can only ruin one engine, they can fly and land on one engine" This is correct and is the safety process. You said it can instead fly for another 10,000 miles as its only one engine, or words to that effect. 

 

I think your analog selection process needs work!  :-)

 

I actually still don't know what your point is.


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  #2151119 27-Dec-2018 13:19
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A strip of metal on the runway brought down the Concorde.
Flying drones, particularly large ones, around an airport is akin to throwing rocks at cars from a motorway over bridge. Except an airliner is more susceptible to damage than your average family people mover.
The density of the drone’s battery pack makes it more like a rock than a bird. Less likely to deform on impact and likely to puncture rather than dent. And if they impact the fan of a modern jet engine there is a greater chance of ‘hard bits’ entering the core of the engine and destroying it than would occur from a bird.

Maybe it’s time for a bit of sharia law where the dickheads get lasers shone in their eyes or have drones smashed into them at high speed.




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  #2151120 27-Dec-2018 13:24
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Add to your list of "things never to joke about seeing / having with airport personnel:"

1) bombs

2) guns

3) drones


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  #2151138 27-Dec-2018 14:19
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kingdragonfly: Add to your list of "things never to joke about seeing / having with airport personnel:"

1) bombs

2) guns

3) drones

 

Another difficult choice, pay the PHP  40,000 fine or share a cell designed for 10 prisoners, with 39 people convicted of drug offences.


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  #2151155 27-Dec-2018 14:59
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NZD $1,127.43.

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  #2151164 27-Dec-2018 15:07
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amiga500:

kingdragonfly: Add to your list of "things never to joke about seeing / having with airport personnel:"

1) bombs

2) guns

3) drones


Another difficult choice, pay the PHP  40,000 fine or share a cell designed for 10 prisoners, with 39 people convicted of drug offences.


Reading comprehension fail.

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  #2151220 27-Dec-2018 18:38
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Oops, plan 'B' needed then..


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  #2151252 27-Dec-2018 21:04
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amiga500:

Oops, plan 'B' needed then..



Plan "B" for... never mind.

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