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#2777294 13-Sep-2021 12:15

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I wonder why only now he's opening his mouth and denouncing Trump. Maybe he realised he doesn't need Trump anymore, now he's out of the White House?

Angling for a shot at the throne? His stance could be popular with moderate Republicans.

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#2777348 13-Sep-2021 12:20

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Forbes: Most Republicans Want Trump To Be President Again—But Are Split On If He’ll Actually Win, Poll Finds

The poll, conducted August 3 to September 7 among 2,119 U.S. adults, found 63% of Republicans and Republican-leaning Independents believe Trump should lead the party, versus 37% who say he shouldn’t.

Only 51% believe the party has a “better chance of retaking the presidency if Trump is the nominee,” however, while 49% say a different candidate would be better.

Washington Post: Democrats wanted Trump gone. Now they want him on the ballot

Democrats are growing confident that Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-Calif.) will prevail in Tuesday's recall election, averting political disaster by energizing liberal voters. Across the country his party is paying close attention to how he's doing it: Warning Democrats that if they stay home, Donald Trump and his agenda will prevail.
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#2777582 13-Sep-2021 14:53

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California is fairly safe Democratic country, although the last Governor (Arnie) admittedly was Republican, but even he thinks Trump is a jerk. Pity more of them aren't as vocal as him.

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#2777800 13-Sep-2021 18:32

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California is fairly safe Democratic country, although the last Governor (Arnie) admittedly was Republican, but even he thinks Trump is a jerk. Pity more of them aren't as vocal as him.

Except they have a fairly undemocratic recall election this week. The governor needs more than 50% of the voters to vote to keep him, but any of the Republicans on the ballot could win the seat with a very small percentage of the voters voting for them.

So California could end up with a Governor that dosen't have the majority of the votes. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

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#2777805 13-Sep-2021 18:44

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Except they have a fairly undemocratic recall election this week. The governor needs more than 50% of the voters to vote to keep him, but any of the Republicans on the ballot could win the seat with a very small percentage of the voters voting for them.

Yeah, the California recall process is completely broken. Worst-case someone could become the new governor of California with nearly 90% of people opposed to them: 51% vote to recall, then there are five candidates of which one gets 11% of the 51% vote (or 20+% of the overall total) and the rest ten (or <= 20 of the overall total).

(In practice for recalls there are much more than five candidates but most are no-hopers so I'm simplifying a bit).

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The Washington Post - Democrats wanted Trump gone. Now they want him on the ballot.

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LOS ANGELES - Democrats are growing confident that California Gov. Gavin Newsom will prevail in Tuesday's recall election, averting political disaster by energizing liberal voters.

Across the country, his party is paying close attention to how he's doing it: warning Democrats that if they stay home, Donald Trump and his agenda will prevail.

“Trumpism is still alive all across this country,” Newsom (D) said at a recent campaign stop in East Los Angeles ... “Is it any surprise the entire Trump organization is behind this recall?” ...

“Republicans thought they could get away with this because Democrats weren’t going to show up,” said Rusty Hicks, the chairman of the California Democratic Party.

“Trump may be less a part of the scene, but his policies and viewpoints and positions have become part of the landscape. We’ve done a good job making clear what the stakes are.” ...

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Newsom won by a 2-to-1 majority on 15 September.

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#2778497 14-Sep-2021 21:44

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Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani is the news, as usual for all the wrong reasons.

Cameo is an American video-sharing website where "fans" pay celebrities for personalized video messages.

New York magazine: Giuliani Records Cameo Endorsing Case Against His Own Client

...For 52 seconds, Giuliani reads an endorsement on Cameo of several journalists and activists who have reported critically on, or campaigned against, Derwick Associates, the energy firm founded by Alejandro Betancourt, a Venezuelan businessman reportedly represented by Giuliani. In 2020, Reuters published an extensive report detailing allegations that Giuliani sought to leverage his relationship with Donald Trump to help Betancourt out of a bind with the Justice Department amid charges of money laundering and bribery in Florida. ...

Should We Be Worried About Rudy Giuliani?

May want to skip to 2:20.

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert

Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani's rambling speech at a 9/11 anniversary event left folks wondering if the ex-mayor is battling sobriety issues.

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#2778574 15-Sep-2021 07:28

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I seem to recall a former Vice Presidential candidate also once being described as "going rogue":

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/14/politics/woodward-book-trump-nuclear/index.html

This will be an interesting read.

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#2778592 15-Sep-2021 08:17

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The Washington Post - Top general was so fearful Trump might spark war that he made secret calls to his Chinese counterpart, new book says

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‘Peril,’ by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, reveals that Gen. Mark A. Milley called his Chinese counterpart before the election and after Jan. 6 in a bid to avert armed conflict.

Twice in the final months of the Trump administration, the country’s top military officer was so fearful that the president’s actions might spark a war with China that he moved urgently to avert armed conflict.

In a pair of secret phone calls, Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, assured his Chinese counterpart, Gen. Li Zuocheng of the People’s Liberation Army, that the United States would not strike, according to a new book by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward and national political reporter Robert Costa.

One call took place on Oct. 30, 2020, four days before the election that unseated President Trump, and the other on Jan. 8, 2021, two days after the Capitol siege carried out by his supporters in a quest to cancel the vote.

The first call was prompted by Milley’s review of intelligence suggesting the Chinese believed the United States was preparing to attack. That belief, the authors write, was based on tensions over military exercises in the South China Sea, and deepened by Trump’s belligerent rhetoric toward China.

“General Li, I want to assure you that the American government is stable and everything is going to be okay,” Milley told him. “We are not going to attack or conduct any kinetic operations against you.”

In the book’s account, Milley went so far as to pledge he would alert his counterpart in the event of a U.S. attack, stressing the rapport they’d established through a backchannel. “General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.”

Li took the chairman at his word, the authors write in the book, “Peril,” which is set to be released next week.

In the second call, placed to address Chinese fears about the events of Jan. 6, Li wasn’t as easily assuaged, even after Milley promised him, “We are 100 percent steady. Everything’s fine. But democracy can be sloppy sometimes.”

Li remained rattled, and Milley, who did not relay the conversation to Trump, according to the book, understood why. The chairman, 62 at the time and chosen by Trump in 2018, believed the president had suffered a mental decline after the election, the authors write, a view he communicated to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in a phone call on Jan. 8. He agreed with her evaluation that Trump was unstable, according to a call transcript obtained by the authors.

Believing that China could lash out if it felt at risk from an unpredictable and vengeful American president, Milley took action. The same day, he called the admiral overseeing the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, the military unit responsible for Asia and the Pacific region, and recommended postponing the military exercises, according to the book. The admiral complied.

Milley also summoned senior officers to review the procedures for launching nuclear weapons, saying the president alone could give the order — but, crucially, that he, Milley, also had to be involved. Looking each in the eye, Milley asked the officers to affirm that they had understood, the authors write, in what he considered an “oath.” ...

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#2778801 15-Sep-2021 15:04

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Damn! I'd vote for Milley 😍

On second thoughts, no I won't. I'd have to become a US citizen.

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#2778809 15-Sep-2021 15:25

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Damn! I'd vote for Milley 😍

It's good to know that, at the moment, the checks and balances are still checking and balancing. Imagine if it'd been someone like Curtis LeMay in charge...

Some people reading this may not realise how big a deal what Milley did is. Breaking out of lockstep in the military is very, very hard. A friend of mine destroyed his military career by doing the right thing rather than following orders, he only escaped a court martial because that would have made the whole thing public.

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#2778815 15-Sep-2021 15:31

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I have a pretty good idea of what he did after reading Rage by Bob Woodward.

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The New York Times - Newsom Survives California Recall Vote and Will Remain Governor

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SACRAMENTO - A Republican-led bid to recall Gov. Gavin Newsom of California ended in defeat late Tuesday, as Democrats in the nation’s most populous state closed ranks against a small grass-roots movement that accelerated with the spread of Covid-19.

Voters affirmed their support for Mr. Newsom, whose lead grew insurmountable as the count continued in Los Angeles County and other large Democratic strongholds after the polls had closed.

Larry Elder, a conservative talk radio host, led 46 challengers hoping to become the next governor.

The vote spoke to the power liberal voters wield in California: No Republican has held statewide office in more than a decade. ...

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#2778931 15-Sep-2021 17:37

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Meanwhile before losing Larry Elder started a website accusing California of voting fraud:

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article254078633.html

I don't like to think about where this is going, again..

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#2778937 15-Sep-2021 17:50

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Sideface: the book’s account, Milley went so far as to pledge he would alert his counterpart in the event of a U.S. attack,

This is interesting. My first thought on reading this - arguably treason - which is exactly what Trump has been saying all day today and calling for prosecution. If Milley was prosecuted defence would call a ton of witnesses to argue Trump was insane or incapacitated and defence to argue Milley's actions were not treason in the circumstance. Trial of the century and unlikely to happen.

On the other hand it's a interview book and the first thing is establishing if that's even close to what Milley said or even means what it is claimed to mean.

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