Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

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#3399543 3-Aug-2025 16:01

My personal view is the coalition intended to let ACT and NZFirst do the dirty work blame it on coalitions and leave Luxon free of the silliness.

There's only one problem with that. The National MPs have also been removing the word Waitangi from existing legislation. National really left the middle of the road there and a few other places.

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#3399871 4-Aug-2025 14:08

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/568917/explainer-what-s-replacing-ncea-and-how-to-have-your-say

NCEA being scrapped - is this good or bad?

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#3399872 4-Aug-2025 14:17

I don't know about that, but I do know that there's no better time to do it than when teachers are as overwhelmingly pleased with their jobs as they are right now.

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#3399929 4-Aug-2025 15:41

quickymart:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/568917/explainer-what-s-replacing-ncea-and-how-to-have-your-say

NCEA being scrapped - is this good or bad?

That depends. Is it being 'scrapped' based on an evidence-led approach or because the current government wants to make education like it was in the 70s ?

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#3399933 4-Aug-2025 15:54

Nzherald article on NCEA replacement:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/ncea-changes-live-updates-stanford-luxon-to-reveal-proposal-for-secondary-school-qualification/NH5UTCVJ4RF5ZAPLYQZDGTOSU4/

In simple form it's going back to a school c and sixth form cert type of thing and away from levels of attainment under NCEA which apparently some employers found confusing.

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#3399944 4-Aug-2025 16:29

elpenguino:

quickymart:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/568917/explainer-what-s-replacing-ncea-and-how-to-have-your-say

NCEA being scrapped - is this good or bad?

That depends. Is it being 'scrapped' based on an evidence-led approach or because the current government wants to make education like it was in the 70s ?

It's an evidence based approach. NCEA was not at all evidence based and the steady decline in NZ educational performance shows this.

As far as I can see National have largely adopted the UK approach. Education is the one real achievement of the previous Tory government. They have turned around the UK education system in a fairly big way.

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#3399945 4-Aug-2025 16:31

gzt: Nzherald article on NCEA replacement:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/ncea-changes-live-updates-stanford-luxon-to-reveal-proposal-for-secondary-school-qualification/NH5UTCVJ4RF5ZAPLYQZDGTOSU4/

In simple form it's going back to a school c and sixth form cert type of thing and away from levels of attainment under NCEA which apparently some employers found confusing.

They aren't changing the system because it was confusing for employers, they are changing it because it wasn't effective in preparing children for further education or training.

Schools have been exiting NCEA in favour of more meaningful qualifications for years.

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#3399957 4-Aug-2025 18:26

Yeah always sounded like a weak point to me. I'm just saying it was one of the claimed drivers. Likewise there was a whole lot of anti-pc talk about having pass and failure because that's life blah etc.

Like you I hope the result of the redo is a better outcome than all that kind of nonsense.

I trust they're being sensible and not making a compulsory change for students until next year?

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#3399964 4-Aug-2025 18:43

gzt: Yeah always sounded like a weak point to me. I'm just saying it was one of the claimed drivers. Likewise there was a whole lot of anti-pc talk about having pass and failure because that's life blah etc.

Like you I hope the result of the redo is a better outcome than all that kind of nonsense.

I trust they're being sensible and not making a compulsory change for students until next year?

It's a phased approach

Education Minister Erica Stanford says the first cohort to see changes will be the current Year 8. From next year, they will be learning from a new curriculum. That will set them up over three years before the new certificate at Year 12.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/ncea-changes-live-updates-stanford-luxon-to-reveal-proposal-for-secondary-school-qualification

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