Chris Hipkins, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

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#3035759 13-Feb-2023 09:42

OK. So, proven track record of at best a lack of due diligence when making comments on multiple topics vs. 'the vibe' of Luxon because he sort of looks like another dude?

Just so we're clear, that's what passes for an acceptable argument in the politics sub-forum?

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#3035806 13-Feb-2023 10:53

Also it's off topic. Luxon be in the National Party topic.

itxtme

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#3035807 13-Feb-2023 10:54

Todays Stuff cartoon about sums up the problem Chris Luxon is facing. He has become exactly what he said they wouldn't when he started as leader. People want substance, and he is not offering it, been there over a year and had to ditch his Lizz Truss style tax cuts. Come to the party with some ideas, and maybe he will earn the trust.

Credit :https://www.stuff.co.nz

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#3035813 13-Feb-2023 11:00

Sharon Murdoch's extreme political bias is never hidden, is it?

Both main political parties are not releasing any meaty policy statements yet. Too early in the election cycle.

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#3035890 13-Feb-2023 12:55

But it isnt "anything meaty" - its none at all. They were embarrassed by the back walking they had to do on tax cuts, and shifted to an anti Jacinda ticket - which worked in fairness. But she has gone now. He struggling to answer even basic questions, because they have not delivered policy to support a stance - the work has not been done.

I saw a video of him answering high school students the other day and his policy on climate change is "I am rock solid on the ends, but the means by which you deliver those ends, which is climate change policy. There will be some things that are similar to the government but there will be some things that are different" *eyeroll*

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018877505/political-commentators-neale-jones-and-tim-hurdle Have a listen from 17:09, got both sides of the political spectrum and about sums up the reality of the situation.

GV27

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#3035946 13-Feb-2023 13:12

itxtme:

But it isnt "anything meaty" - its none at all. They were embarrassed by the back walking they had to do on tax cuts, and shifted to an anti Jacinda ticket - which worked in fairness. But she has gone now. He struggling to answer even basic questions, because they have not delivered policy to support a stance - the work has not been done.

Again, it is way too early in the election cycle. It would be madness to release a tax policy before the Budget as Robertson could simply copy it.

If you're going to tell me that promising everything under the sun and recycling election policies the electorate already rejected multiple times and then just abandoning them is somehow morally superior then you're going to have to work hard to sell that one.

But I look forward to the policy backflip from Robertson who decries indexing as a 'tax cut' (instead of a tax increase by stealth) when he eventually realises he has to offer it to head off National, and the scrambling of those defending him trying to explain why it's different, somehow.

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#3040712 22-Feb-2023 22:01

A leopard dosen't change it's spots.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pm-out-of-touch-on-flood-law-and-order?utm_source=Newsroom&utm_campaign=42ebf0023e-Daily_Briefing+22.02.2023&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_71de5c4b35-42ebf0023e-97887111

Same stuff happened during the pandemic.

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#3040732 23-Feb-2023 06:16

It sounds like after these weather events the entire campaign costings, shadow budgeting and policy launches will have to be revised totally.

Robertson seems to be suggesting that the Budget is being rejigged already so I would be surprised if the National manifesto doesn't get a serious rethink.

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#3043826 2-Mar-2023 07:57

Credit where credit is due, the Rob Campbell incident is being swiftly and quickly dealt with. As it should have been.

It does however through an uneasy shadow over the conduct of certain MPs in recent years that went unaddressed. One wonders if this being an election year has suddenly elevated the importance of quality of governance to the level it maybe should have been the whole time, but wasn't.

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#3043844 2-Mar-2023 09:09

GV27:

Credit where credit is due, the Rob Campbell incident is being swiftly and quickly dealt with. As it should have been.

It does however through an uneasy shadow over the conduct of certain MPs in recent years that went unaddressed. One wonders if this being an election year has suddenly elevated the importance of quality of governance to the level it maybe should have been the whole time, but wasn't.

It also casts an uneasy shadow over the activist mentality that has been appointed to the highest levels of the supposedly politically neutral public service.

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#3043869 2-Mar-2023 12:22

https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/opinion/300806891/inward-research-funding-model-applied-to-outward-tertiary-sector#comments

Its sad, we already see our universities competing as to who is the most Te Tiriti led and who is the most LGBTQ+ friendly.

Academic standards be damned.

I am 100% in favour of more money being put into Maori for education at primary and secondary as well as tertiary education. Payment for education fees, having extra staff to have lower staff numbers, etc etc etc to remove barriers to better educational outcomes is important. Education is a great pathway out of poverty. But once you have become an educational staff member, you fight on quality of teaching, quality of research. FFS academics at University level should have a PhD, this shows they are capable of research , capable of getting papers published.

University staff can already get paid more for being able to speak Maori, yet they can not get paid more for being able to do NZ sign, the 3rd official language in NZ. Which group is more disadvantaged here ? Universities have large numbers of overseas students who have even greater language and cultural barriers, those students are expected to cope.

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#3043883 2-Mar-2023 13:41

Your points seem to be completely unrelated to the article you linked except both address Maori in some way. The linked article details a cafe owner's objections to research funding criteria aimed to address New Zealand's extremely bad ranking in education equality at university level. It is an issue, that particular former academic expresses no concerns about whatsoever and offers no alternative approaches to resolving. Except that the writer is a former academic the article looks like bad case of misplaced whataboutmeism.

I find it hard to believe those systemic issues could be addressed without increased research funding to raise that area. You yourself have offered an alternative approach above where the linked article has not. My objection to that alternative approach is simply that without an established research base there will not be sufficient material to advance.

The perception of modern university emphasis on research and publication over teaching is a hot topic internationally for many years now. You yourself above have advocated hiring more teaching staff. The article does not address that topic at all.

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#3044009 2-Mar-2023 19:58

gzt: Your points seem to be completely unrelated to the article you linked except both address Maori in some way. The linked article details a cafe owner's objections to research funding criteria aimed to address New Zealand's extremely bad ranking in education equality at university level. It is an issue, that particular former academic expresses no concerns about whatsoever and offers no alternative approaches to resolving. Except that the writer is a former academic the article looks like bad case of misplaced whataboutmeism.

I find it hard to believe those systemic issues could be addressed without increased research funding to raise that area. You yourself have offered an alternative approach above where the linked article has not. My objection to that alternative approach is simply that without an established research base there will not be sufficient material to advance.

The perception of modern university emphasis on research and publication over teaching is a hot topic internationally for many years now. You yourself above have advocated hiring more teaching staff. The article does not address that topic at all.

The article talks about how a research based fund is being changed so that research is no longer the most important factor, being Maori is.

His views as an ex academic was how it was the wrong thing to do, it will make all sorts of distortions that do not fix any of the claimed aims. He was not making any attempt at alternative solutions, only saying the current one is wrong. Your denigration of his opinion because he is no longer employed in an academic position is below you, his decades of experience is still valid.

If the government wants to have a seperate contestable fund based on Te Tiriti principles then do so, and that would at least be clear as to reasons why and by what standards that funding model is based on.Non Maori would also be eligible if it can be shown based on the criteria that they too meet the standards required.

Universities have research funds to help new academics start in research, they run courses for them on writing grant applications, managing post graduate studies, student pastoral care, teaching methodology with senior academics helping guide them.

PBRF (Performance Based Research Fund) is research based funding for all research subjects, Science, Engineering, Education, Welfare, Business , History, etc etc etc. Where Maori Culture, Language, History, Anthropology, Education, etc are being taught and researched then being Maori is important, it gives you an insight others are unlikely to have and that will help you research those areas and progress academically as well as obtain funding.

PBRF is not about helping Maori education, it is not about helping Maori at primary, intermediate, high schools, it is not helping keeping anyone engaged and at school. Until you can get kids with good grades through high school they seriously struggle go to higher education. But THAT is where you fix the inequality, before they even consider University. That is where I advocate greater teacher numbers, having teachers with differing skills that help those that struggle to stay engaged. I also advocate having better financial support so the study costs are not a hurdle that prevents further education. If these institutions want to they can employ Maori Tutors to assist Maori students with their studies, help them with how to research, how to write reports, complete assignments, etc, that is if they actually want to "right the wrongs". The Universities between them have billions of dollars squirrelled away. But degrading the whole point of PBRF is NOT the way to do that.

Once you become a University academic you already have a PhD and a have higher than average paying job.

After that your career is based on academic excellence, research outputs, publications, citations as well as teaching, how many post graduates you have, etc. Universities are full of academics from all over the world, race, religion, gender , sexual orientation are not what matters, it's can you do the job and how good are you at that job.

Physics, Chemistry, Microbiology, Vets, Engineering, Mathematics, Statistics, Computer science, Software engineering, Medicine, etc etc etc do not change due to race etc. 1+1= 2 no matter who you are. Yet this policy change puts every other group at a disadvantage in those subjects.

Would you be happy that if you worked in a job that had a bonus system that a person you work with (who may not even be as good at the job as you) should get a bigger bonus simply because they are Maori ?

New Zealands actual international rankings are falling, because these rankings ARE based on research , publications, etc etc etc as well as how well the students get rated by other research/businesses who employ the graduates. These falling rankings will impact on NZ students getting jobs, PhD/Post Doctorate positions overseas.

Universities are a place of academia , that is their whole reason for existence. If you want "vocational" based skills, go to a polytechnic. If you want to be entertained, go to youtube.

Academia is all about research, about advancing the knowledge we have, about new knowledge and understanding. Its about teaching people how to learn, how to add new information, skills, and extend a job. Nothing we have in our modern lives would have been possible without research.

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#3044039 2-Mar-2023 22:03

I'll need to address your points one at a time. It will come as no surprise that I disagree with many of your claims. Starting with rankings.

New Zealands actual international rankings are falling, because these rankings ARE based on research , publications, etc etc etc as well as how well the students get rated by other research/businesses who employ the graduates. These falling rankings will impact on NZ students getting jobs, PhD/Post Doctorate positions overseas.

In general it is very easy to see NZ university international rankings are not falling at all. In fact the trend is steady and sometimes startling improvements for NZ universities in those international rankings.

There is a major exception and that is where student to faculty ratio is a factor in ranking. As you yourself have advocated increased staffing I'm sure you will find no disagreement with that one.

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#3044150 3-Mar-2023 07:27

gzt: I'll need to address your points one at a time. It will come as no surprise that I disagree with many of your claims. Starting with rankings.

New Zealands actual international rankings are falling, because these rankings ARE based on research , publications, etc etc etc as well as how well the students get rated by other research/businesses who employ the graduates. These falling rankings will impact on NZ students getting jobs, PhD/Post Doctorate positions overseas.

In general it is very easy to see NZ university international rankings are not falling at all. In fact the trend is steady and sometimes startling improvements for NZ universities in those international rankings.

There is a major exception and that is where student to faculty ratio is a factor in ranking. As you yourself have advocated increased staffing I'm sure you will find no disagreement with that one.

Auckland slid a bunch while I was there. It did not stop them cranking their fees to the maximum allowed under the fee maxima cap.

I have a friend who works as an associate professor in a nordic country. What she is paid would make a local lecturer's eyes bleed.

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