MikeB4: Here is a novel thought. The majority that voted to exit did so knowing what they were doing.

It's very novel.

The politicians didn't know the implications of what they were doing.

Kevin and Debbie in thought they did, because they read it in the Daily Mail, and they agreed, strongly.

After they voted they went to town in their Audi and had a curry.  Kevin washed his down with a Stella, Debbie had a nice glass of Tempranillo.

Fred99:

 

After they voted they went to town in their Audi and had a curry.  Kevin washed his down with a Stella, Debbie had a nice glass of Tempranillo.

 

They could have done all of that before Britain had even joined the EU.

Fred99:

 

SJB:

 

Fred99:

 

Brexit had been fueled by decades of lies/fake news/Euromyths propagated by the tabloid press.

 

 

That's a bit of an exaggeration. And can we leave out the pseudo swearing.

 

 

No it's not, and no.

 

The press in the UK is pretty evenly split between left and right wing views and pro and anti EU. They are also, for the most part, preaching to the converted so don't change the views of many voters. They nearly all have national coverage so regional variations in news don't exist.

The broadcast media is generally very middle of the road or even slightly left leaning and pro EU (BBC, Channel 4) so I would not expect to hear lies or euromyths from them (BTW fake news is pretty much the same as lies).

As for the second 'no', nobody else on here seems to need to sink to that level to make their point. Reminds me of the tone of comments I read whenever I drop into certain extreme right wing sites to see what the crazies are talking about.

SJB:

 

Fred99:

 

After they voted they went to town in their Audi and had a curry.  Kevin washed his down with a Stella, Debbie had a nice glass of Tempranillo.

 

 

They could have done all of that before Britain had even joined the EU.

 

The Morris 1100 wouldn't have started, the bus drivers would have been on strike, and with inflation running at 26%, saving for a meal out wasn't prudent.

SJB:

 

The press in the UK is pretty evenly split between left and right wing views and pro and anti EU.

Oh - the old "the sum of both sides equals a balanced view" myth.

As far as migration goes, Britain joining the EEC changed the look and feel of the UK forever. I guess a lot of people, particularly the older people have never been happy about open doors. 

I dont think a lot of NZers would be that happy if were to happen here as well.

People like Boris ran scaremongering campaigns of deceit and lies that fed on the above. In reality not a lot can be gained from Brexit after 40 years of being part of Europe.

I was in high school when Britain joined the EEC and it was a massive thing for NZ. It dominated the news for years. In reality it was  a good thing for NZ as it forced us to grow up and let go of Britain's apron strings.

Fred99:

 

Oh - the old "the sum of both sides equals a balanced view" myth.

 

That's a new one on me. Did you just make that up?

Fred99:

 

The Morris 1100 wouldn't have started, the bus drivers would have been on strike, and with inflation running at 26%, saving for a meal out wasn't prudent.

 

And in France I seem to remember the Citroen looked and ran like a rubbish bin on wheels, the farmers were blockading the Champs Eleysee because the subsidies hadn't been increased for 3 months, the students were setting bonfires in the streets for no particular reason, the President was under investigation for embezzelement etc etc etc.

Shall we do Italy or Spain next?

SJB:

 

Fred99:

 

The Morris 1100 wouldn't have started, the bus drivers would have been on strike, and with inflation running at 26%, saving for a meal out wasn't prudent.

 

 

And in France I seem to remember the Citroen looked and ran like a rubbish bin on wheels, the farmers were blockading the Champs Eleysee because the subsidies hadn't been increased for 3 months, the students were setting bonfires in the streets for no particular reason, the President was under investigation for embezzelement etc etc etc.

 

Shall we do Italy or Spain next?

 

Why bother?  Overall the EU has been good for Europe. Did you have some other point to make?

SJB:

 

Fred99:

 

Oh - the old "the sum of both sides equals a balanced view" myth.

 

 

That's a new one on me. Did you just make that up?

 

No.  It's just paraphrasing the truth:

Facts have a liberal bias.

Fred99:

 

SJB:

 

Fred99:

 

The Morris 1100 wouldn't have started, the bus drivers would have been on strike, and with inflation running at 26%, saving for a meal out wasn't prudent.

 

 

And in France I seem to remember the Citroen looked and ran like a rubbish bin on wheels, the farmers were blockading the Champs Eleysee because the subsidies hadn't been increased for 3 months, the students were setting bonfires in the streets for no particular reason, the President was under investigation for embezzelement etc etc etc.

 

Shall we do Italy or Spain next?

 

 

Why bother?  Overall the EU has been good for Europe. Did you have some other point to make?

 

The UK was no better or worse than elsewhere in Europe. And without rerunning the last 50 or 60 years it's impossible to know whether it would have been even better for Europe without the EU. I bet Greece thinks it probably would have been.

The same is true going forward. No one can know if another path would have been more beneficial.

RNZ: 

"The minority Liberals, Scottish and Welsh Nationalists, Green and crucially the Northern Irish Democratic Unionist Party - that believes Northern Ireland is being sold down the river over the Irish border issue - will probably vote against.

What the EU would make of this is hard to say. Probably shrugs and more time will be granted.

Meanwhile, the pound sterling continues south and more Brits are stockpiling tinned food."

I'm not sure if the DUP will vote against at the end of the day. The PM might give them some under the table concessions to bring them round. No chance with the rest - the Scottish Nationalists vote no for anything the government puts forward.

I would have thought the bigger problem was MP's in her own party.

Fred99:

 

Straight bananas

 

Not entirely a myth.  EU does have a regulation (2257/94) that classifies bananas into quality bands based on size, shape and deformations.

It's an example of ridiculous regulation.  Consumers can choose bananas (or not) in store based on their appearance.

As a food exporter the EU can be a nightmare to deal with.  Outdated, idiosyncratic and pedantic is how I would classify a lot of their regulations.