2019 road toll already in the triple digits. What will Jacinda do?

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#2209316 2-Apr-2019 11:04

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What caused that accident?

NPR?

Compulsory insurance won't stop bad driving, neither will efforts on marginal speed infringements, my suggestion was exceeding minor

As I see it, there is no motivation to drive well, and within the rules. Driving is easy. We drive very slow, we have a huge amount of time to evaluate whats ahead, we can act as though every other driver is an idiot, as I do. But still we drive into trees, other cars and other people

Cause not known at present. But the combination of compulsory insurance and NPR enforcement would remove a lot of the unsafe vehicles and unsafe driver-vehicle combinations that exist on our roads.

As I said, you can't stop stupid people doing stupid things. We almost need two road-tolls, one for stupid people (driving without seat belts, DUI of alcohol or drugs) and one for the rest. No point in stressing about the stupid ones because no amount of legislation is going to stop them

What is NPR enforcement?

If a stupid person wants to speed, run red lights, not look where they are going, that is a conscious action. There is a penalty somewhere that will make them slow down, be more careful. And there are non stupid people who flout the law as in a hurry, no cops around etc. Unsafe cars are an issue (WOF) but I feel the people that cause accidents are a reasonably wide demographic

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#2209322 2-Apr-2019 11:21

Its really quite simple. Our roads are not designed for the number of vehicles that use them, and this current government is against new roads. I believe they have cancelled 5 double laning projects of state highways.

Having single lane SH1 makes no sense with the numbers of trucks and cars on it. With no passing it just leads to frustrated drivers who then make bad judgement calls.

Our main roads have to some of the worst in the western world, yet the different road taxes we pay seem to go nowhere.

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#2209359 2-Apr-2019 11:29

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Its really quite simple. Our roads are not designed for the number of vehicles that use them, and this current government is against new roads. I believe they have cancelled 5 double laning projects of state highways.

Having single lane SH1 makes no sense with the numbers of trucks and cars on it. With no passing it just leads to frustrated drivers who then make bad judgement calls.

Our main roads have to some of the worst in the western world, yet the different road taxes we pay seem to go nowhere.

The vast majority of accidents happen on busy roads? I'm sure many do, but many dont. Plus you would need to complain about multiple past Governments as roads and road toll issues are not new and since Nov 2017.

Id suggest many many accidents dont occur in gridlock or congested highways, as more often than not you are stuck there. Its when you have a choice to speed, pass, be brave, save 56 nanoseconds thats when it falls apart

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#2209366 2-Apr-2019 11:48

shk292:

As I said, you can't stop stupid people doing stupid things. We almost need two road-tolls, one for stupid people (driving without seat belts, DUI of alcohol or drugs) and one for the rest. No point in stressing about the stupid ones because no amount of legislation is going to stop them

I would get stressed about stupid people running into me, as nearly happened once.

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#2209369 2-Apr-2019 11:54

Bluntj:

Its really quite simple. Our roads are not designed for the number of vehicles that use them, and this current government is against new roads. I believe they have cancelled 5 double laning projects of state highways.

Having single lane SH1 makes no sense with the numbers of trucks and cars on it. With no passing it just leads to frustrated drivers who then make bad judgement calls.

Our main roads have to some of the worst in the western world, yet the different road taxes we pay seem to go nowhere.

What frustrates me is the lack of decent public transport in the country. I don't give a damn about flash roads for 20-somethings who want to experience American-style road trips, or frustrated commuters who don't leave on time. What bothers me as I age is that there is no good inexpensive way to get from Hastings to Hamilton. If I don't want to drive, the only option is a lengthy, slow bus trip with a stopover in Taupo. No train, no direct flights, just a bloody bus. That matters a lot more to me than superhighways.

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#2209371 2-Apr-2019 12:01

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What is NPR enforcement?

If a stupid person wants to speed, run red lights, not look where they are going, that is a conscious action. There is a penalty somewhere that will make them slow down, be more careful. And there are non stupid people who flout the law as in a hurry, no cops around etc. Unsafe cars are an issue (WOF) but I feel the people that cause accidents are a reasonably wide demographic

Sorry - NPR is number-plate recognition, I thought the term was used above. It's common in other countries and makes more effective policing of vehicle and driver compliance much easier.

I'm less sure about the wide demographic, and it would be very interesting to see an annual summary of serious accidents, their causes and contributory factors. I've never seen this but I have a hunch that sober, drug-free, seatbelt-restrained drivers in fully compliant, insured cars will form a very low portion of the statistics

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#2209376 2-Apr-2019 12:18

shk292:

tdgeek:

What is NPR enforcement?

If a stupid person wants to speed, run red lights, not look where they are going, that is a conscious action. There is a penalty somewhere that will make them slow down, be more careful. And there are non stupid people who flout the law as in a hurry, no cops around etc. Unsafe cars are an issue (WOF) but I feel the people that cause accidents are a reasonably wide demographic

Sorry - NPR is number-plate recognition, I thought the term was used above. It's common in other countries and makes more effective policing of vehicle and driver compliance much easier.

I'm less sure about the wide demographic, and it would be very interesting to see an annual summary of serious accidents, their causes and contributory factors. I've never seen this but I have a hunch that sober, drug-free, seatbelt-restrained drivers in fully compliant, insured cars will form a very low portion of the statistics

Ah NPR, got it thanks. Google didnt help

That would be good

The summary would be very interesting. I expect that description would be lower than many but those type of people can also be tired, not driving in an alert manner, be poor to very average drivers. Driving with a lower level of care as they deem themselves to be great drivers. Nice, honest people differs to capability to control a car and be aware of all surroundings.

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#2209403 2-Apr-2019 13:20

shk292:

Sorry - NPR is number-plate recognition, I thought the term was used above. It's common in other countries and makes more effective policing of vehicle and driver compliance much easier.

I'm less sure about the wide demographic, and it would be very interesting to see an annual summary of serious accidents, their causes and contributory factors. I've never seen this but I have a hunch that sober, drug-free, seatbelt-restrained drivers in fully compliant, insured cars will form a very low portion of the statistics

I thought they'd trialed NPR in NZ a year or two ago. IIRC it may have been shelved over privacy concerns.

I share your hunch.

There's this system being put together:

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/safety/safety-resources/crash-analysis-system

After a (very) quick look at incomplete data, I'm no wiser.

Putting stats together when there are always going to be contributory causes - and probably multiple ones in each injury/fatality incident- and trying to allocate % causality etc for each of those many factors... Makes my head hurt thinking about it.

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#2209674 2-Apr-2019 18:39

I read a stuff article this morning about a person who was killed in a side impact. I could not help wondering what year and side impact rating that car was. Related to that do we really want to keep importing stuff with low safety rating when better is available?

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#2209677 2-Apr-2019 18:46

tdgeek:
Not sure of the relevance of the PM being mentioned in the thread title.

A bit pointless and got this kicked into politics forum.

Does the Police and NZTA evaluate the cause of every accident, and document that? That information must be there somewhere.

They do. It's on the NZTA site in xls form last time I looked. A summary would be an ideal starter for an intelligent discussion. It's on my to do list every time this comes up ; ).

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#2209687 2-Apr-2019 19:06

How about a flat rate car tax to reduce the amount of cars on the road and reduce deaths. e.g. $5,000 per annum for every car owned. Easy to implement as it can be just an additional fee on top of car rego etc. Perhaps the rate could even depend on the vehicle risk rating - similar to the ACC service that NZTA uses. It would significantly reduce the amount of traffic which is good for the environment and the money can be used to pay for cycle lanes.

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#2209690 2-Apr-2019 19:15

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How about a flat rate car tax to reduce the amount of cars on the road and reduce deaths. e.g. $5,000 per annum for every car owned. Easy to implement as it can be just an additional fee on top of car rego etc. Perhaps the rate could even depend on the vehicle risk rating - similar to the ACC service that NZTA uses. It would significantly reduce the amount of traffic which is good for the environment and the money can be used to pay for cycle lanes.

I don't get this. Too many cars. I don't see that, except at rush hour. If people want to drive in rush hour that's fine. Why take cars off the road that wont cause a death? You could ban all cars. You could also ban all violent movies and TV. Ban lots of things. Thats not really the answer.

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#2209717 2-Apr-2019 19:40

gzt:
tdgeek:

Not sure of the relevance of the PM being mentioned in the thread title.

A bit pointless and got this kicked into politics forum.

Does the Police and NZTA evaluate the cause of every accident, and document that? That information must be there somewhere.

They do. It's on the NZTA site in xls form last time I looked. A summary would be an ideal starter for an intelligent discussion. It's on my to do list every time this comes up ; ).

I mentioned the P.M, though did not explain why; because at the moment Jacinda can do no wrong has taken immediate action to see that people do not die in the future due to a repeat of the same recent event. It [gun bans] will affect some people though many have said it's fair enough for greater good. However the first time some sort of driver licensing controls, vehicle regulations and so on get mentioned there's a huge backlash. Would it not be for the greater good to address the multitude of issues on our roads?

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#2209756 2-Apr-2019 20:03

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gzt:
tdgeek:

Not sure of the relevance of the PM being mentioned in the thread title.

A bit pointless and got this kicked into politics forum.

Does the Police and NZTA evaluate the cause of every accident, and document that? That information must be there somewhere.

They do. It's on the NZTA site in xls form last time I looked. A summary would be an ideal starter for an intelligent discussion. It's on my to do list every time this comes up ; ).

I mentioned the P.M, though did not explain why; because at the moment Jacinda can do no wrong has taken immediate action to see that people do not die in the future due to a repeat of the same recent event. It [gun bans] will affect some people though many have said it's fair enough for greater good. However the first time some sort of driver licensing controls, vehicle regulations and so on get mentioned there's a huge backlash. Would it not be for the greater good to address the multitude of issues on our roads?

What backlash is that?

Do we get Jacinda to fix climate change this week, road toll next week, and what is next?

A little bizarre, IMHO

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#2209759 2-Apr-2019 20:14

NZGamingIcon:

How about a flat rate car tax to reduce the amount of cars on the road and reduce deaths. e.g. $5,000 per annum for every car owned. Easy to implement as it can be just an additional fee on top of car rego etc. Perhaps the rate could even depend on the vehicle risk rating - similar to the ACC service that NZTA uses. It would significantly reduce the amount of traffic which is good for the environment and the money can be used to pay for cycle lanes.

How many cars can you drive at once? Generally I don't see too many unmanned cars on the motorway at peak so I can't see this doing anything other than hammering people who have a separate car for weekend drives or maybe a toy - in fact it could have the opposite effect as people would have to daily drive whatever they owned, and it could lead to people using older, high performance cars more often instead of having a smaller, separate, more efficient and safer vehicle for their regular commuting.

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