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  #2668681 6-Mar-2021 09:59
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I guess if the current Govt ingnored the housing affordability crisis, they would be blamed for that. Hardly an equal assessment would that be?  

 

 

It depends. Housing reform was a big part of the Key Govt's election plank as prices had already gone loopy pre-GFC, along with RMA reform. Both things floundered and never happened. 

 

It's not too dissimilar to how Labour insisted black and blue that Kiwibuild was a) realistic and b) would deliver the kind of supply boost we needed. They also discussed urban planning reform like getting rid of the urban boundary. Again, crickets. 

 

At some point you're just defending one party's right to complain about housing and then do nothing about it once elected over another. I really hope we're past that. We have a very small group of people who are taking on 30 year mortgages at 40% of incomes (two incomes, kids or career setbacks be damned) to pay for a first home, with little chance of being mortgage-free before retirement. 

 

We then have a much larger group of people who will be stuck renting forever because getting a deposit together and paying escalating rents is impossible.

 

And that's to say nothing of the people stuck in waiting lists, or in motels or living in garages or cars. Fixing housing will continue to be a political no-go zone as long as people who own houses see them as their main investment when they retire. Even Ardern is not willing to expend political capital by taxing capital gains, hence ruling it out as long as she is leader; even though she has a majority in the house in this term. 

 

I think if it was actually important, they would have done something more substantive by now. I can only conclude that it isn't. 




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  #2668741 6-Mar-2021 10:32
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It depends. Housing reform was a big part of the Key Govt's election plank as prices had already gone loopy pre-GFC, along with RMA reform. Both things floundered and never happened. 

 

It's not too dissimilar to how Labour insisted black and blue that Kiwibuild was a) realistic and b) would deliver the kind of supply boost we needed. They also discussed urban planning reform like getting rid of the urban boundary. Again, crickets. 

 

At some point you're just defending one party's right to complain about housing and then do nothing about it once elected over another. I really hope we're past that. We have a very small group of people who are taking on 30 year mortgages at 40% of incomes (two incomes, kids or career setbacks be damned) to pay for a first home, with little chance of being mortgage-free before retirement. 

 

We then have a much larger group of people who will be stuck renting forever because getting a deposit together and paying escalating rents is impossible.

 

And that's to say nothing of the people stuck in waiting lists, or in motels or living in garages or cars. Fixing housing will continue to be a political no-go zone as long as people who own houses see them as their main investment when they retire. Even Ardern is not willing to expend political capital by taxing capital gains, hence ruling it out as long as she is leader; even though she has a majority in the house in this term. 

 

I think if it was actually important, they would have done something more substantive by now. I can only conclude that it isn't. 

 

 

"At some point you're just defending one party's right to complain about housing and then do nothing about it once elected over another. "

 

That works both ways, the second way is that your just defending one party's right to do nothing, but then complain

 

But we probably agree in that "I think if it was actually important, they both would have done something more substantive by now. I can only conclude that it isn't. "

 

Thats the conclusion for both parties.


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  #2668744 6-Mar-2021 10:39
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Because I am a generous soul, I am giving this government until the end of its term to do something about anything. If they can't manage any substantive changes in three years with an absolute parliamentary majority, I will give up on them for good and go back to voting for the legalise cannabis party. And no, @networkn, I do not need you to add punctuation to this statement!

 

 





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  #2668800 6-Mar-2021 11:25
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Yep fair comment. Assess what can be done and what cant be. Housing crisis cant be fixed, not unless they started a Government building project as they did post the Great Depression or WW2, but that would be seen as excessive intervention. They can fix the RMA the apparent major deal, but its not a panacea. Maybe we should all accept that National is Conservative and Labour is also Conservative, just a bit less so and leave it at that, where all easy stuff or forced stuff (like Covid) will achieve attention. The rest will be muddled with just so pretend its being worked on. In short, not a lot will change. Maybe we just accept that NZ governments are basically weak.


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  #2670387 9-Mar-2021 09:43
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But we probably agree in that "I think if it was actually important, they both would have done something more substantive by now. I can only conclude that it isn't. "

 

Thats the conclusion for both parties.

 

 

Yes, that seems a fair assessment at this point. The urgency of opposition is forgotten as soon as one gets their bum in the chair on the 9th floor of the Beehive, be it over super, housing or any other election promises.

 

A lot of discussion around Ardern's dropping of the Hosking slot, which no one would blink at had the PM had such an uncharacteristically poor week last week. 


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  #2670389 9-Mar-2021 09:48
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A lot of discussion around Ardern's dropping of the Hosking slot, which no one would blink at had the PM had such an uncharacteristically poor week last week. 

 

 

I disagree, people would still have been upset about it. Not because it's Hosking, but because it makes her look like her Government doesn't want to be asked hard questions all the time.

 

Barry Soper was particularly uncharitable.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/barry-soper-jacinda-ardern-is-treading-water-the-master-of-soft-flattering-interviews/4GKJG4UBCLIKKX4POQWHK4EXD4/

 

I don't agree with everything written there, but there are some good points.


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  #2670395 9-Mar-2021 10:01
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I see the Government has appointed Sir Brian Roach and Rob Fyfe will lead an investigation into the last lockdown and how the Government handled it. I think that's a good decision and two good people to lead it. That's good, responsible leadership IMO.

 

 


 
 
 

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  #2670408 9-Mar-2021 10:30
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I see the Government has appointed Sir Brian Roach and Rob Fyfe will lead an investigation into the last lockdown and how the Government handled it. I think that's a good decision and two good people to lead it. That's good, responsible leadership IMO.

 

 

Setting up investigation and committees to head off criticism is one thing. Releasing reports and enacting recommendations is the big that makes good leadership - I hope they do better with this one than they did with the last Roche report.  


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  #2670409 9-Mar-2021 10:31
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networkn:

 

I see the Government has appointed Sir Brian Roach and Rob Fyfe will lead an investigation into the last lockdown and how the Government handled it. I think that's a good decision and two good people to lead it. That's good, responsible leadership IMO.

 

 

Setting up investigation and committees to head off criticism is one thing. Releasing reports and enacting recommendations is the big that makes good leadership - I hope they do better with this one than they did with the last Roche report.  

 

 

That's a very good point actually.

 

They haven't been "the most transparent government ever" to date.

 

 


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  #2670560 9-Mar-2021 16:56
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networkn:

 

GV27:

 

A lot of discussion around Ardern's dropping of the Hosking slot, which no one would blink at had the PM had such an uncharacteristically poor week last week. 

 

 

I disagree, people would still have been upset about it. Not because it's Hosking, but because it makes her look like her Government doesn't want to be asked hard questions all the time.

 

Barry Soper was particularly uncharitable.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/barry-soper-jacinda-ardern-is-treading-water-the-master-of-soft-flattering-interviews/4GKJG4UBCLIKKX4POQWHK4EXD4/

 

I don't agree with everything written there, but there are some good points.

 

 

It's quite amazing that this piece appeared in an NZME owned paper that uses content from Hosking. I'm shocked.

 

It's almost like there is polling showing that Hoskins audience is a waste of time for the government. Angry boomers aren't a key demographic for them although Soper certainly fits this profile.

 

The funniest comment is from John Keys press secretary. Key dropped his regular interview with RNZ. Pot, kettle, etc.


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  #2670585 9-Mar-2021 18:48
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They haven't been "the most transparent government ever" to date.

 

 

 

 

You'd need to list the other transparent Governments to decide who was the most transparent. That gives you a baseline


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  #2670601 9-Mar-2021 19:15
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You'd need to list the other transparent Governments to decide who was the most transparent. That gives you a baseline

 

 

Actually, no, I don't. Seeing as, none of the others, I am aware of, stood up and claimed they would be.

 

 

 

 


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  #2670602 9-Mar-2021 19:22
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tdgeek:

 

You'd need to list the other transparent Governments to decide who was the most transparent. That gives you a baseline

 

 

Actually, no, I don't. Seeing as, none of the others, I am aware of, stood up and claimed they would be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So there is no baseline. Where we say x=0. So, as we aren't prepared to draw a baseline, we cannot measure transparency or lack of it. 


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  #2670604 9-Mar-2021 19:25
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networkn:

 

They haven't been "the most transparent government ever" to date.

 

 

You'd need to list the other transparent Governments to decide who was the most transparent. That gives you a baseline

 

 

No other government had a minister for open government fired for lying.

 

Done.


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  #2670608 9-Mar-2021 19:33
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No other government had a minister for open government fired for lying.

 

Done.

 

 

How so, 'done'? This proves nothing as far as I can see. Dishonest ministers get sacked for lying all the time. How does this demonstrate something systematic or institutional? What does a single anecdote prove? 

 

 





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