Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#3222934 25-Apr-2024 18:45

I seem to remember quite a few "celebrities" saying they'd leave the States if he got in last time, who still live there - maybe no body else would actually take them?

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#3222936 25-Apr-2024 18:46

Rikkitic:

Why would Canada want them? Just importing America's problems.

Because I doubt they will be crying about all the rapists, murderers, and drug dealers coming across the southern boarder. Quite apart from the fact that people who have publicly opposed Trump or testified against him will be targeted by Trump mobs.

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#3222945 25-Apr-2024 20:51

It's like Georgia all over again for Rudy and co, except this time it's Arizona! 😀

I bet John McCain would be disgusted with his fellow Arizona Republicans.

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#3222965 25-Apr-2024 22:55

I think Kiwis know more about US geography than Lara Trump.

Later in the same interview she added "That's not even counting the lawsuits in the US terriritiddles, like Gum, Puerto Rikky, and the Marinara Sauce Islands" (just joking)

Huffington Post: Lara Trump Claims Republican National Committee has lawsuits in a literally unbelievable number of states

Anyone who thought Lara Trump got her job as co-chair of the Republican National Committee just because her father-in-law is the former president better eat some humble pie.

That’s because Donald Trump’s daughter-in-law proved herself to be a political strategist without equal during an interview on Newsmax Monday night.

Lara Trump suggested the RNC had a top-notch legal strategy in plan.

“We have lawsuits in 81 states right now”

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#3222973 26-Apr-2024 07:04

The NY Times - Supreme Court Live Updates: Conservative Majority Seems Ready to Limit Election Case Against Trump

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The Supreme Court’s conservative majority appeared to ready on Thursday to rule that former presidents have substantial immunity from criminal prosecution, a move that would further delay the criminal case against former President Donald J. Trump on charges that he plotted to subvert the 2020 election.

Such a ruling would most likely send the case back to the trial court to draw distinctions between official and private conduct.

Those proceedings could make it hard to conduct the trial before the 2024 election.

Bad news, but not unexpected. 😦

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#3222979 26-Apr-2024 08:17

"Those proceedings could make it hard to conduct the trial before the 2024 election."

Job done.

I couldn't believe hearing those politically biased Jurors for life on the broadcast discussion.

god help the USA and all of the rest of the world.

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#3222983 26-Apr-2024 08:31

How ridiculous. So Biden could get Trump assassinated under the latter's "thinking" or "logic" and it's all good? Spare me.

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#3223004 26-Apr-2024 10:05

quickymart:

How ridiculous. So Biden could get Trump assassinated under the latter's "thinking" or "logic" and it's all good? Spare me.

I don't believe the majority of the SC judges are saying that. The implication is that only some actions would be exempt from prosecution. Even Amy Coney Barrett seemed to rule out complete immunity.

US Supreme Court divided on whether Trump can be prosecuted - BBC News

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#3223036 26-Apr-2024 11:29

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

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#3223053 26-Apr-2024 11:57

and ...

Tanya S. Chutkan, Federal judge (01 December 2023):

“Whatever immunities a sitting president may enjoy, the United States has only one chief executive at a time, and that position does not confer a lifelong ‘get-out-of-jail-free’ pass."

“The Defendant’s four-year service as commander in chief did not bestow on him the divine right of kings to evade the criminal accountability that governs his fellow citizens.”

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#3223092 26-Apr-2024 14:58

So, looking at the above list, one could argue that, indeed, Trump is a winner. But I don't quite think this is exactly the "winning" he told Americans they were going to get tired of.

Or maybe it is.

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#3223105 26-Apr-2024 15:51

The list is missing this (dis)honour. Donald Trump rates lowest.

To his benefit, he was only number fourth most over-rated president.

Trump was placed behind William Henry Harrison, who died a mere 31 days after taking office.

Trump was placed behind Franklin Pierce, who was actively pro-slave. He enforced the Fugitive Slave Act and signed the Kansas–Nebraska Act, allowing the expansion of expansion of slavery

American Political Science Association (mostly): Official Results of the 2024 Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey

...Respondents included current and recent members of the Presidents & Executive Politics Section of the American Political Science Association, which is the foremost organization of social science experts in presidential politics, as well as scholars who had recently published peer-reviewed academic research in key related scholarly journals or academic presses
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Donald Trump rates lowest.
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Donald Trump is by far the most polarizing of the ranked presidents, selected by 170 respondents and earning a 1.64 average (1 is a “most polarizing” ranking).
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#3223112 26-Apr-2024 16:17

Also the first ever former president to face criminal charges according to The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/31/first-thing-trump-becomes-first-former-us-president-to-face-criminal-charges

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#3223113 26-Apr-2024 16:24

Also from The Guardian ....

Analysis - Trump the elephant in the room as supreme court hearing strays into the surreal

25 April 2024

Justices heard immunity arguments - and the conservative majority seemed determined to talk about anything but the case at hand.

It took two hours and 24 minutes for the elephant in the room to be mentioned at Thursday’s US supreme court hearing. “The special counsel has expressed some concern for speed, and wanting to move forward,” said Justice Amy Coney Barrett.

The supreme court has already moved at such a snail’s pace that the chances of the case coming to trial before November’s presidential election – in which the accused is once again standing for the most powerful job on Earth – are growing slim. ...

Which would play exactly into Trump’s hands.

From day one, Trump’s strategy has been delay, delay, delay – with the endgame of kicking the prosecutorial can so far down the road that he can win re-election and appoint a manipulable attorney general who will scrap all charges, or even pardon himself.

I recommend reading the entire (short) opinion piece.

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#3223116 26-Apr-2024 16:35

Trump attouney's quoting 1982 case Harlow v. Fitzgerald

In the Nixon v. Fitzgerald case, A. Ernest Fitzgerald testified before Congress in 1968 about cost overruns and unexpected technical difficulties concerning the development of a particular airplane. Fitzgerald claimed that he lost his position as a contractor for the US Air Force because of this testimony

Fitzgerald sued in civil court two Nixon aides conspired to get him fired, for whistle blowing activities. The case was appealed to the Supreme Court, which in a 5–4 decision, ruled that the President is entitled to absolute immunity from legal liability for civil damages based on his official acts.

Note this does not mention criminal cases. So it may be OK for the President not to be sue for financial damage, it says nothing about immunity from criminal activities.

BOMBSHELL update at US Supreme Court

Brian Tyler Cohen

"This is democracy watch

So Mark today was the Supreme Court argument regarding Trump's presidential immunity that I think is safe to say was "utter insanity"

So first off, so as not to bury the lead here, Trump's lawyer argued that a president having his political opponent assassinated could be considered an official act and that entitled him to immunity

Here's a clip of that moment

Supreme Court Justice Kagan (President Barack Obama nominated): "How about if a president orders the military to stage a coup?"

Trump attorney: "I think that, as the Chief Justice pointed out earlier, where there is a whole series of ... you know ... sort of guidelines against that, so to speak like the Military Law "Uniform Code of Military Justice" prohibits the military from following a plainly unlawful act, if one adopted Justice Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito test that would fall outside.

Now if one adopts ,for example to Fitzgerald test that we advanced, that might well be an official act."

what honestly Brian I have seen a lot of things in my 30 plus years as a litigator.

I never thought I would see a lawyer stand in the US Supreme Court and say that a president who orders the assassination of their political opponent.

He also said by the way: a president who stages a coup would be it would be engaged in official action

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