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#3223274 27-Apr-2024 09:58

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A couple of the funnier cartoons I saw this morning:

^ so true!!!

^ the Republican party are turning against each other without the Democrats even lifting a finger.

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#3223277 27-Apr-2024 10:18

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Note that "shorting" any stock is extremely risky. When you short a stock, its price can keep rising. In theory, that means there's no upper limit to the amount you'd have to pay to replace the borrowed shares: often called "infinite losses"

The Independent: Rooting for Trump to fail has made his stock shorters millions

Rooting for Donald Trump to fail has rarely been this profitable.

Just ask a hardy band of mostly amateur Wall Street investors who have collectively made tens of millions of dollars over the past month by betting that the stock price of his social media business — Truth Social — will keep dropping despite massive buying by Trump loyalists and wild swings that often mirror the candidate’s latest polls, court trials and outbursts on Trump Social itself.

Several of these investors interviewed by The Associated Press say their bearish gambles using “put” options and other trading tools are driven less by their personal feelings about the former president (most don’t like him) than their faith in the woeful underlying financials of a company that made less money last year than the average Wendy’s hamburger franchise.
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#3223279 27-Apr-2024 10:27

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Wisely it seems China many internal problems means they're mostly staying out.

Putin-Trump bromance continues, or as likely Putin-Biden distrust.

BBC: What the world's media make of Trump going on trial
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'SleepyDon' trial presents US with unprecedented problems - China

Chinese media have covered Mr Trump's trial but it hasn't featured as prominently on the news agenda as one might expect. Still, it offered the media another opportunity to show what's seen as the chaos and polarisation of US politics.
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'Fabricated case' - Russia

A pro-Trump bias was in evidence in much of the coverage. On state TV Rossiya 1's main evening news, the presenter used the Russian slang word "bespredel", which roughly translates to utter lawlessness and abuse of power, in reference to the trial and other criminal charges faced by Trump.

Court proceedings were consistently linked to the race for the White House by several outlets. Olga Skabeyeva, host of Rossiya 1's 60 Minut (60 Minutes) political talk show, said the only chance Trump's enemies had to defeat him in the election was to imprison him. "In this regard, a case was fabricated about a bribe for the silence of porn actress Stormy Daniels," Skabeyeva concluded.

In the government-owned daily Rossiyskaya Gazeta, Igor Dunayevsky wrote: "Democratic politicians do not hide their hopes that the hunt for Donald Trump will prevent him from participating in the 2024 elections."

Russian state media have consistently mocked the current US president as "senile" and a person not really in control of events. Donald Trump on the other hand has had a much easier ride on pro-Kremlin outlets.
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In a scathing article published on April 26, The New Republic's Brynn Tannehill is vehemently critical of the way the Supreme Court has handled Trump's immunity claims.

The New Republic - The Court Just Sealed Everyone’s Fate, Including Its Own (free link)

At a minimum, it appears the court will send all of the federal cases back down to lower courts ... This delay all but guarantees that Trump will not stand trial for anything besides the current hush-money case before the 2024 election.

This is catastrophic in so many ways. The first is that it increases the already high chances that the United States ends up with a dictator who will attempt to rapidly disassemble democracy in pursuit of becoming President for Life. It simultaneously increases the chances that yes, he will go ahead and violate the civil and human rights of political opponents and classes of people he calls Communists, Marxists, and fascists. ...

The conservatives on the Supreme Court have also exposed their hubris, willful ignorance, and foolishness to the entire world in stark terms, and it will cost them and the nation dearly in the long run. They somehow presume that if Trump is elected and goes full dictator, that the power of the court, and their reputation, will save them.

The truth is, Trump’s relationships with everyone he meets are completely transactional. If the court ever stops being useful to him, he will terminate it with prejudice if he thinks he can get away with it, and this court is doing everything it can to make him think he can get away with it.

These justices’ foolishness lies in their lack of foresight as to what happens if Trump wins in 2024. In the justice’s efforts to ensure that they are the most powerful branch of government, they are about to make it the weakest.

They are creating a win-win situation for Trump, and a lose-lose for themselves.

When Trump is president again, he is likely to believe that he has the option of “removing” any member of the Supreme Court who defies him. As long as the court doesn’t rule against him, they’re fine. From the justices’ perspective, they either end up neutered lap dogs of a despot, who do whatever they’re told out of fear, or they defy him and end up somewhere unpleasant (at best).

In the end, the court appears to be doing everything to destroy itself, democracy, and the union, with its own arrogance and lack of foresight. It’s either castrated itself, and in the process doomed the country, or signed its own death warrant.

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#3223351 27-Apr-2024 13:41

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Blinken seems to be getting USA-China relations back on track post-Trump.

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When Trump is president again, he is likely to believe that he has the option of “removing” any member of the Supreme Court who defies him. As long as the court doesn’t rule against him, they’re fine. From the justices’ perspective, they either end up neutered lap dogs of a despot, who do whatever they’re told out of fear, or they defy him and end up somewhere unpleasant (at best).

In the end, the court appears to be doing everything to destroy itself, democracy, and the union, with its own arrogance and lack of foresight. It’s either castrated itself, and in the process doomed the country, or signed its own death warrant.

An extensive knowledge of the law doesn't necessarily bestow wisdom upon a person. In fact, such people are blinkered to only see and apply legal solutions rather than anything more applicable to complex human situations. Ergo, SCOTUS is qualified only to make rulings based on the letter of the law, and if such letters are obscure, its rulings will be no more than opinions.

IMHO, their collective attitude toward current elections issues can be summed up thus: "We can't be seen to be involved in any judgement that might influence a presidential election. The people must decide."

So, do these these jurists understand that they may have caused their own downfall by, basically, allowing Trump free reign? I doubt it would even cross their minds. "We're the Supreme Court of the USA. Our country is the strongest democracy in the world. (Oh, and by the way, we're more powerful than the President.)"

All of which is true. For now.

However, their decision to avoid a decision will have far-reaching implications for Trump. What do law-abiding citizens do when the law no longer abides by the citizens?

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

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The Washington Post - Opinion - Trump tempts the court to find him in contempt

On his first day in Justice Juan Merchan’s courtroom in New York, Donald Trump got a rude awakening: If he disrupted the court proceedings or failed to show up every day, he could lose the right to be in the courtroom, or even wind up behind bars. ...

While prosecutors stand a good chance of prevailing, given Trump’s outbursts against two critical witnesses, the court might soon be faced with the prospect of more social media outbursts.

The presumptive GOP nominee’s inability to contain himself might present Merchan with a dilemma: Jail Trump, allowing him to play the martyr, or permit him to bully witnesses and perhaps others associated with the trial?

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#3223415 27-Apr-2024 16:51

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I don't think Pecker (real name), Michael Cohen, or Stormy Daniels can be bullied by Trump.

However the jurors and various justice workers don't deserve the real possibility of being killed by a whipped up fanatic, driven by Trump not-so-subtle orders.

As a side note, whenever Trump says "we" or "America" he means "I" and brain-washed/angry supporters, not literally everyone.

He could “stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody” without losing any voters.

In 2019, President Donald Trump asserted that his supporters, including police, military, and the Bikers for Trump, were strong but didn’t always act tough—until a certain point. He ominously stated, "then it would be very bad, very bad."

During the January 6, 2021 Capitol riot, he made several statements.

As a violent mob stormed the Capitol, equipped with a gallows for his vice president, President Donald Trump endorsed the crowd’s chilling chants of “Hang Mike Pence.” According to the Jan. 6 committee, Trump even remarked to his advisors, “Maybe our supporters have the right idea.

“We will stop the steal.”

“We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen.”

“You don’t concede when there’s theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore.”

He also warned that having an “illegitimate president” should not be allowed.

“If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

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I'll summarize: in space of a few minutes the vice presidential candidate killed a 14 month old "untrainable dog" and a male goat that was “nasty and mean.”

The Guardian: Trump Vice President contender Kristi Noem writes of killing dog – and goat – in new book
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Barack Obama adviser turned podcaster Tommy Vietor calling the governor “Jeffrey Dahmer with veneers”, a reference to a famous serial killer and a recent scandal over Noem’s cosmetic dentistry treatment.

But most responses, particularly from dog lovers and people who hunt with dogs, simply expressed disgust.
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kingdragonfly: I don't think Pecker (real name), Michael Cohen, or Stormy Daniels can be bullied by Trump.

Indeed: https://newrepublic.com/post/181057/trump-advisers-stunned-details-hush-money-trial

So far, the court has heard testimony from David Pecker, the former CEO of American Media Inc. and ex-publisher of the National Enquirer, who has provided damaging information about Trump’s activities and even how many of Trump’s associates were involved. Trump has been hesitant to attack Pecker, leading some observers to suspect that he’s afraid of the tabloid magnate.

This is quite a turn - Trump actually being scared of someone, for once?

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quickymart:

This is quite a turn - Trump actually being scared of someone, for once?

Trump is afraid of everyone he can't control. Classic bully behaviour.

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In a scathing article published on April 26, The New Republic's Brynn Tannehill is vehemently critical of the way the Supreme Court has handled Trump's immunity claims.

The New Republic - The Court Just Sealed Everyone’s Fate, Including Its Own (free link)

At a minimum, it appears the court will send all of the federal cases back down to lower courts ... This delay all but guarantees that Trump will not stand trial for anything besides the current hush-money case before the 2024 election.

This is catastrophic in so many ways. The first is that it increases the already high chances that the United States ends up with a dictator who will attempt to rapidly disassemble democracy in pursuit of becoming President for Life. It simultaneously increases the chances that yes, he will go ahead and violate the civil and human rights of political opponents and classes of people he calls Communists, Marxists, and fascists. ...

The conservatives on the Supreme Court have also exposed their hubris, willful ignorance, and foolishness to the entire world in stark terms, and it will cost them and the nation dearly in the long run. They somehow presume that if Trump is elected and goes full dictator, that the power of the court, and their reputation, will save them.

The truth is, Trump’s relationships with everyone he meets are completely transactional. If the court ever stops being useful to him, he will terminate it with prejudice if he thinks he can get away with it, and this court is doing everything it can to make him think he can get away with it.

These justices’ foolishness lies in their lack of foresight as to what happens if Trump wins in 2024. In the justice’s efforts to ensure that they are the most powerful branch of government, they are about to make it the weakest.

They are creating a win-win situation for Trump, and a lose-lose for themselves.

When Trump is president again, he is likely to believe that he has the option of “removing” any member of the Supreme Court who defies him. As long as the court doesn’t rule against him, they’re fine. From the justices’ perspective, they either end up neutered lap dogs of a despot, who do whatever they’re told out of fear, or they defy him and end up somewhere unpleasant (at best).

In the end, the court appears to be doing everything to destroy itself, democracy, and the union, with its own arrogance and lack of foresight. It’s either castrated itself, and in the process doomed the country, or signed its own death warrant.

And impeaching corrupt SCOTUS judges requires a Senate super-majority. The former last happened in the 19th century, and the latter hasn't really been a thing since LBJ was in the White House. America's Founding Fathers planned for a Trump regime, but not a Speaker Gingrich, Senate Leader McConnell or Judge Clarence Thomas.

"I regret to say that we of the F.B.I. are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce." — J. Edgar Hoover

"Create a society that values material things above all else. Strip it of industry. Raise taxes for the poor and reduce them for the rich and for corporations. Prop up failed financial institutions with public money. Ask for more tax, while vastly reducing public services. Put adverts everywhere, regardless of people's ability to afford the things they advertise. Allow the cost of food and housing to eclipse people's ability to pay for them. Light blue touch paper." — Andrew Maxwell

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The Washington Post - Opinion - Supreme Court wants clarification of official & personal acts

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From Fox New Jesse Watters worried that it is unfair to make a man who is almost 80 sit for hour after hour. “It’s not healthy. He needs sunlight. He needs activity. He needs to be walking around. He needs action. It is really cruel and unusual punishment to make a man do that, and any time he moves, they threaten to throw him in prison.”

Here's what Fox reported on the 2020 election. Notice the tone on age differs when it's a democrat.

Democrat word count: 401 words, large in-line link to Sanders heart attack video, mentions "elder Democrats"

Trump: 36 words. three times says "young"

Fox News 2020: Biden, Sanders and Warren pressed in debate on age, health

The top three Democratic candidates were put on defense during Tuesday night’s debate, with Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders all facing pointed questions about their age, health and how those factors could affect their electability and potential presidency.

The line of questioning started with Sanders, I-Vt., who just returned to the campaign trail after suffering a heart attack earlier this month. The 78-year-old was asked how he could “reassure” Americans that he was up for the task."

“We are going to be mounting a vigorous campaign all over this country. That is how I’m going to reassure the American people,” Sanders said while thanking voters, friends and fellow Democratic primary candidates for their support. “I’m so happy to be back here with you this evening.”

Next came Biden—whose age has been a topic of conversation and criticism over the past several months on the campaign trail. CNN’s Erin Burnett quoted former President Jimmy Carter, who said that he wouldn’t have been able to start a presidential term at the age of 80, and pressed Biden why he thinks he could handle the pressure.

“Because I watched it, I know what the job is, I’ve been engaged,” Biden, 76, said, adding that “one of the reasons” he is running for president is his age—and with that, comes “wisdom.”

“We need someone in office this time around who on day one, on the world stage, can command respect from world leaders and know exactly what needs to be done to get this country back on track,” he said. “That’s one of the reasons why I decided to run this time because I know what has to be done. I’ve done it before, I’ve been there.”

He added: “I will not need any on the job training.”

Biden, who has grappled with sustained critical media coverage of a string of gaffes on the campaign trail, then vowed to release his health records, along with his tax records, before the Iowa Caucuses in January—the first contest of the 2020 primary season.

“I’m the only guy who’s released anything up here,” he scoffed.

Warren, D-Mass., who is 70, brushed off her age, when asked to respond.

“I say I will outwork, out-organize, and outlast anyone and that includes Donald Trump, Mike Pence or whoever the Republicans get stuck with,” she said.

Meanwhile, President Trump, who is 73, has said he feels “young” and is ready for another term of his administration.

“I feel like a young man. I am a young, vibrant man,” Trump said in April.

Should Trump be re-elected, he would be 74 on Jan. 20, 2021—Inauguration Day. Should the presidency go to one of the elder Democrats in the field—Biden would be 78; Sanders would be 79; and Warren would be 71.
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kingdragonfly: “I feel like a young man...,” Trump said in April.

Quite understandable. He's had a lot trouble with women.

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