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#2200243 17-Mar-2019 15:07

Annoys the crap out of me how people keep comparing banning cars who kill more in NZ each year to guns.

Last I checked, Cars primary role were an advancement on design for something that can be used to transport and move about distances.

Remind me again what weapons are designed to do...

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#2200249 17-Mar-2019 15:25

As someone with little experience of guns, and none that is recent, I expect I would not be a very good shot. If, for some unfathomable reason, I wanted to go hunting, my weapon of choice would be an automatic assault weapon, with a semi-automatic as second-best. Why? Because I could just spray bullets all over the f-ing place and I would still have a reasonable chance of hitting something!

I would think that a true measure of a real sportsperson would be the motivation to become the best shot possible so they could finish off their prey in one go, and being a true sportsperson, they would not even try a shot they weren't certain they could make. Such a person would have no need of an assault weapon. They would do perfectly well with an old-fashioned bolt-action rifle. Such a person would not have my approval for their choice of recreation, but they would at least have my respect.

Where is the skill in killing something when the weapon does all the work for you? What is the satisfaction in using such a thing? Any imbecile with a tiny dick can pick up a weapon designed to effortlessly kill and pull the trigger. Why bother? They are still an imbecile with a tiny dick.

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#2200250 17-Mar-2019 15:30

Oblivian:

Remind me again what weapons are designed to do...

Definitely not to kill people. We have 250,000 registered gun owners, with an estimated 1,000,000 guns owned. Less than 0.001% of those guns were used in the act of murder. Yes, what happened on Friday was tragic. Yes, they parliament (both sides) are going to have some knee jerk reaction and pass some laws. But to infer (but not directly say) that guns purpose (at least in NZ) is to kill people is simply not true.

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#2200251 17-Mar-2019 15:30

The Sydney Morning Herald - New Zealanders 'panic buy' guns ahead of Jacinda Ardern's crackdown

... originally from Radio NZ - 'Panic buying' of guns ahead of ban

I heard this on Radio NZ today:

Council of Licenced Firearms Owners spokesperson Nicole McKee told Guyon Espiner on Morning Report that she didn't believe military style semi-automatic weapons should be banned.

"We have several legitimate uses for them in this country, we have them for sporting uses, we have them for on rural properties ..."

They are apparently indispensable when shooting rabbits. Yeah, right. 😉

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#2200252 17-Mar-2019 15:33

stinger:

Oblivian:

Remind me again what weapons are designed to do...

Definitely not to kill people. We have 250,000 registered gun owners, with an estimated 1,000,000 guns owned. Less than 0.001% of those guns were used in the act of murder. Yes, what happened on Friday was tragic. Yes, they parliament (both sides) are going to have some knee jerk reaction and pass some laws. But to infer (but not directly say) that guns purpose (at least in NZ) is to kill people is simply not true.

Here I was thinking they come up with gunpowder, and later guns. To mame and hurt perceived mortal enemies.

Silly me.

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#2200253 17-Mar-2019 15:35

There is no (reasonable) justification for non military/police to have semi automatic weapons. Period.

I actually believed they were already banned. I support a ban on them, including confiscation of existing weapons, though I also don't believe it would have prevented this attack. People who want weapons enough, can get them. Same with almost anything illegal.

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#2200260 17-Mar-2019 15:42

During the election for Obama's second term, I recall the debate where he was arguing on gun controls, and he was asked some question about it. He said something that has stuck with me for a long time.

The bad guys, should not be armed better than the people who protect us from them. Or something to that effect. I'll try and find the clip, it was a powerful few moments.

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#2200262 17-Mar-2019 15:44

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Oblivian:

Remind me again what weapons are designed to do...

Definitely not to kill people. We have 250,000 registered gun owners, with an estimated 1,000,000 guns owned. Less than 0.001% of those guns were used in the act of murder. Yes, what happened on Friday was tragic. Yes, they parliament (both sides) are going to have some knee jerk reaction and pass some laws. But to infer (but not directly say) that guns purpose (at least in NZ) is to kill people is simply not true.

Trying to say that the main design purpose of the AR-15 isn't to kill people is delusional.

A bolt action 22 or a shotgun is a different device to an army weapon.

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#2200268 17-Mar-2019 15:58

Rikkitic:

As someone with little experience of guns, and none that is recent, I expect I would not be a very good shot. If, for some unfathomable reason, I wanted to go hunting, my weapon of choice would be an automatic assault weapon, with a semi-automatic as second-best. Why? Because I could just spray bullets all over the f-ing place and I would still have a reasonable chance of hitting something!

I would think that a true measure of a real sportsperson would be the motivation to become the best shot possible so they could finish off their prey in one go, and being a true sportsperson, they would not even try a shot they weren't certain they could make. Such a person would have no need of an assault weapon. They would do perfectly well with an old-fashioned bolt-action rifle. Such a person would not have my approval for their choice of recreation, but they would at least have my respect.

Where is the skill in killing something when the weapon does all the work for you? What is the satisfaction in using such a thing? Any imbecile with a tiny dick can pick up a weapon designed to effortlessly kill and pull the trigger. Why bother? They are still an imbecile with a tiny dick.

As a previous holder of a gun licence, which I got when I was a teen, and 3 firearms at any one time, 22 Magnum, .270, shotgun, the .22 Magnum was semi automatic. 15 shot magazine. The purpose was convenience. It was rarely used in a bang bang bang scenario in game hunting. Hares it might be used that way for 2 or 3 shots. There is big difference between sport shooting and the use of guns by deviants. If I was still an active shooter Id have no issue if semis were banned, or limited to a 2 or 3 shot mag. It does affect the genuine user, but its not a sacrifice. Anything more can only be stored and used in a club range, as pistols are.

Im in favour of tightening up guns.

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#2200269 17-Mar-2019 16:03

stinger:

Oblivian:

Remind me again what weapons are designed to do...

Definitely not to kill people. We have 250,000 registered gun owners, with an estimated 1,000,000 guns owned. Less than 0.001% of those guns were used in the act of murder. Yes, what happened on Friday was tragic. Yes, they parliament (both sides) are going to have some knee jerk reaction and pass some laws. But to infer (but not directly say) that guns purpose (at least in NZ) is to kill people is simply not true.

I'm not sure it was knee jerk. It's not simply ban some guns. Our resident lawyer sated the laws haven't been reviewed for an age, it's time for a renewal. it's about the supply, its about the who. Its possibly less about the guns. The AR15 is a popular rifle, its his did this guy get one, how did he get large magazines.

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#2200271 17-Mar-2019 16:10

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Good Grief! 😕

The Sydney Morning Herald - New Zealanders 'panic buy' guns ahead of Jacinda Ardern's crackdown

This is why politicians should first carefully decide on the correct mitigation measure(s) to implement and the associated timing of the announcement, rather than making an off-the-cuff remark.

Agreed, but ... to quote Prof Philip Alpers - on Radio NZ this morning:

He believes that gun laws could change in a matter of days if there was the political and public will, as in Australia after the Port Arthur massacre (35 deaths and 23 wounded) in 1996 - when gun laws changed in 12 days.

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#2200272 17-Mar-2019 16:10

Sideface:

The Sydney Morning Herald - New Zealanders 'panic buy' guns ahead of Jacinda Ardern's crackdown

... originally from Radio NZ - 'Panic buying' of guns ahead of ban

I heard this on Radio NZ today:

Council of Licenced Firearms Owners spokesperson Nicole McKee told Guyon Espiner on Morning Report that she didn't believe military style semi-automatic weapons should be banned.

"We have several legitimate uses for them in this country, we have them for sporting uses, we have them for on rural properties ..."

They are apparently indispensable when shooting rabbits. Yeah, right. 😉

Agree. Rabbits are fun and they are a pest, use a shotgun. If one is miles away, well not miles, but a long way away, you wont be spraying it, you will be scope shooting it with one shot. Its annoying when a biased person (which is fine ) goes overboard to defend the realm. I come from a farm. Shotgun for bunnies and ducks, high powered rifle for dogs. (Dogs who were sheep worryers. it was legal)

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#2200277 17-Mar-2019 16:16

I think the continued discussion on the merits on the gun control aspects of this, should move to the dedicated gun control Thead

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#2200303 17-Mar-2019 17:45

Christchurch mosque shootings: Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern seeks advice on deportation options for accused *********

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213531

It would be pleasing in some ways, that if the accused was convicted, he was sent back to Australia to serve his sentence, given their policy on deporting those that commit crimes in Australia back to their homelands.

Interestingly though:

'Law Professor Andrew Geddis of Otago University was unsure whether New Zealand and Australia had an agreement under which prisoners convicted in one country could serve their sentence in their home country but said Australia would not want Tarrant back if he was convicted.
"I'm thinking it would require some kind of a one-off deal with Australia to allow that to happen," Geddis said.'

I'm certain many New Zealanders didn't want many of the criminals Australia has sent back here, especially those who have not set food in NZ since they were an infant.

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#2200305 17-Mar-2019 17:54

I'm going to say this.

I'm very glad that Jacinda Ardern is our PM. No one on the planet could have done a better job in this very sensitive crisis. I will give you an extreme example to contrast to show what i mean. Imagine Donald trump were our pm in this moment. Imagine if this happened in the usa.

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