Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

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#3170812 11-Dec-2023 18:18

ezbee:

It also took a $2.2 billion recapitalisation of the business mostly from you the taxpayer in 2022 after Luxon left.

That was covid.

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#3170815 11-Dec-2023 18:30

Oh yes that was Covid, but then National is not taking Covid excuses from anyone :-)
However its just an 'illustration' that over the years we do protect Air New Zealand as major shareholder.
Its probably a wise thing too that Covid exposed, as export income kept trucking along from last stop before Antartica.
While other countries were busy with their own interests.

We are the lucky country when you consider that our pure branding was enhanced and price/demand for our products kept going.
Export incomes good, and while low dollar hurts at consumer end, for exporters its a good time.

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#3170839 11-Dec-2023 19:48

I really miss Jacinda Ardern. Whatever her leadership qualities (which I happen to think were considerable) she brought an element of freshness and excitement to the government. She did wonders for overseas perceptions of New Zealand and added enormous value to our image. She was inspiring and elevating. People (at least ones outside this country) genuinely liked her.

Now she has been exchanged for what is beginning to look like the worst kind of pale male backwards-looking testosteronacity. Her charming smile has been replaced by a full moon smirk. No-one wants to sit next to us at the leaders' tables anymore. We have become yet another boring predictable insignificant nowhere backwater. The magic is gone, the pixie dust scattered on the wind. Welcome to New Zealand, Steven Colbert. What, you don't want to come? But you can enjoy a barbie with Winston Peters and Lauren Southern. What's not to like?

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#3170846 11-Dec-2023 20:17

It’s pretty amusing hearing Ardern mentioned.

A fair chunk of the criticism of Luxon is similar to the crap that Ardern took, just from a different perspective.

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#3170850 11-Dec-2023 20:36

just so much sooner for some reason..

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#3170855 11-Dec-2023 21:03

I still don't know why I feel so critical of Luxon, I definitely don't remember feeling like this about John Key when he took over. But maybe in the age of Trump I've become more vested/interested in politics than I did previously (and therefore a lot more critical)? I dunno.

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#3170858 11-Dec-2023 21:10

John Key promised to not change to much in first term, so it was not 100 days of radicalism.
He was aiming at National running for multiple terms, so second term the hammer goes down.
Don't panic people build trust and all that.

John Key model does not work when you have radical ACT and NZF ideas, never mind radical ends of your own group.
You sign up for 100 days drama vs calm and slow building storm.
So people really got to like him first.

He also erased the Don Brash legacy, and held a hand out to Māori.

Anyhow that's how I remember it YMMV . Rose coloured glasses ?

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#3170864 11-Dec-2023 21:23

Luxon is really doing nothing he hadnt promised he was going to do. No real surprises yet, but only second week lol.

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#3170882 12-Dec-2023 01:49

gzt: just so much sooner for some reason..

Nah.

The carping last time was that “Labour didn’t really win” so “weren’t really” the government.

There were a number of very public missteps early on including not being able to elect a speaker without a last minute deal to increase Nationals committee participation.

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#3170903 12-Dec-2023 06:56

Bluntj:

Luxon is really doing nothing he hadnt promised he was going to do. No real surprises yet, but only second week lol.

Not quite: https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/12/04/govt-says-itll-now-keep-the-app-tax-it-promised-to-scrap/

They said they would get rid of this, now they won't.

Granted, it's hardly something major, but still.

Also: https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/11-12-2023/winston-peters-rabbit-hole-problem >> not about Luxon specifically, but Peters is still Deputy PM (for now, anyway).

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#3170908 12-Dec-2023 07:50

ezbee:

The John Key model is hard to emulate.
It can come off as disingenuous if you aren't John key.

Managing New Zealand's signature Airline with Government backing backstop.
Prior experience working for the giant Unilever.

You are not doing low level hands on coalface management.
Whole departments of very qualified staff, plus you employ the best consultants.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/air-new-zealand-turns-to-external-consultants-to-chop-million-of-dollars-in-costs/5VIIAJVYC3L34BEPMNIQEDHRPY/

It also took a $2.2 billion recapitalisation of the business mostly from you the taxpayer in 2022 after Luxon left.

Parliament is much closer to shoveling muck with your own hands than that.
It's at least something that Winston Peters understands better :-)

Judith Collins must look like the Cheshire Cat in the background seeing this, its not so easy is it :-)

100% If a CEO has a great management team, the team does the thinking, the evaluations, the measurements. CEO makes the calls based on all that. Luxon is struggling as its now top down being a CEO of a country. And his "management team" are generally just regular people that got voted in. Take Paul Goldsmith. former National Finance person. He was doing PR for Labour, then he became a National MP and the Finance guy. Take Nicola Willis. Mother worked in Parliament, father a respected corporate lawyer. Nicola got a degree in English Literature and Journalism. She coulda been a reporter! But she is now Minister of Finance for New Zealand. We can all read spreadsheets, it takes more than that.

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#3170910 12-Dec-2023 07:55

quickymart:

I still don't know why I feel so critical of Luxon, I definitely don't remember feeling like this about John Key when he took over. But maybe in the age of Trump I've become more vested/interested in politics than I did previously (and therefore a lot more critical)? I dunno.

Key was like Adern. Calm, positive, smiley, casual. Attributes that people engage with. Luxon is falling over hurdles daily. Will not answer anything, leaks, international criticism, dominated by his partners. If we were saying these after 2 to 3 years, thats one thing, but this is week 2

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#3170912 12-Dec-2023 07:58

Bluntj:

Luxon is really doing nothing he hadnt promised he was going to do. No real surprises yet, but only second week lol.

His current actions, i.e. the 100 day plan is one topic. People can banter and argue about that, but the issue is his incompetence for the many reasons mentioned daily, here and in the media.