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#1582380 28-Jun-2016 22:31

DaveB:

Farage gloating in the EU parliament 30 minutes ago is not helping the situation. Junker is no better!

Every time I see Juncker I am reminded of that most excellent Sun headline "Up Yours, Delors!"

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#1582383 28-Jun-2016 22:48

Geektastic:

Every time I see Juncker I am reminded of that most excellent Sun headline "Up Yours, Delors!"

I never got to read the front page, always skipped to Page 3.

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#1582391 28-Jun-2016 23:59

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UK sovereignty means that Scotland would need to abide by the decisions of the UK parliament. Under section 28 of the Scotland act (the Sewel convention), it states that "the parliament of the UK would not normally legislate on devolved matters without the consent of the Scottish parliament". I am not aware that the ability to independantly choose to remain in the EU was devolved, instead it likely remains a "reserved matter" and would be handled in the UK parliament. Section 7.1 of the 1998 Scotland act seems to suggest that the matter of the EU would be reserved, but obligations under EU law are not.

"Scotland didn't let you down" - standing ovation in the EU Parliament for a Scottish MEP who asks the EU to not let Scotland down.

England isn't staying in, so the EU - perhaps including Spain - won't care what England (outside London) thinks.

With respect to the original post, this context has huge implications for the way forward.

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#1582393 29-Jun-2016 00:39

MikeAqua:

If Scotland leave UK and join EU as has been discussed (I realise this would require more referenda), will there be an international border between England and Scotland?

Part of the leave campaign was better control over the UK's borders. If Scotland ends up as part of the EU, the UK has an international land border, presumably it will want to control this?

Under the proposal for Britain to Leave the EU, there was always going to be a international land border between an EU country and a non EU part of the UK. Specifically, between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. I suspect that could have the potential to be far more problematic than one between Scotland and England.

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#1582431 29-Jun-2016 08:46

alexx:
MikeAqua:

If Scotland leave UK and join EU as has been discussed (I realise this would require more referenda), will there be an international border between England and Scotland?

Part of the leave campaign was better control over the UK's borders. If Scotland ends up as part of the EU, the UK has an international land border, presumably it will want to control this?

Under the proposal for Britain to Leave the EU, there was always going to be a international land border between an EU country and a non EU part of the UK. Specifically, between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. I suspect that could have the potential to be far more problematic than one between Scotland and England.

To be fair, PIRA ensured that border has been problematic for decades...

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#1582436 29-Jun-2016 09:11

If Scotland sticks with the EU, it's likely Northern Ireland will too. So that border becomes a sea-border.

Currently you drive/train from England to Scotland non-stop, but presumably it will become a checkpoint situation?

Would London Glasgow be an international flight for example, kind of like Wellington-Sydney.

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alexx:

MikeAqua:

If Scotland leave UK and join EU as has been discussed (I realise this would require more referenda), will there be an international border between England and Scotland?

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Under the proposal for Britain to Leave the EU, there was always going to be a international land border between an EU country and a non EU part of the UK. Specifically, between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. I suspect that could have the potential to be far more problematic than one between Scotland and England.

To be fair, PIRA ensured that border has been problematic for decades...

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#1582458 29-Jun-2016 09:59

It's going to be fun when the Queen has to have her passport checked on her pilgrimages to Balmoral.

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#1582465 29-Jun-2016 10:04

Rikkitic:

It's going to be fun when the Queen has to have her passport checked on her pilgrimages to Balmoral.

Does Her Majesty have or require a passport?

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#1582511 29-Jun-2016 11:14

Sideface:

Rikkitic:

It's going to be fun when the Queen has to have her passport checked on her pilgrimages to Balmoral.

Does Her Majesty have or require a passport?

No, Her Majesty does not have a passport, or any need for one.

And since the suggestion is that Scotland become independent, not a republic, she will still be Queen of Scotland anyway

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#1582884 29-Jun-2016 18:27

Linuxluver:
TwoSeven:

UK sovereignty means that Scotland would need to abide by the decisions of the UK parliament. Under section 28 of the Scotland act (the Sewel convention), it states that "the parliament of the UK would not normally legislate on devolved matters without the consent of the Scottish parliament". I am not aware that the ability to independantly choose to remain in the EU was devolved, instead it likely remains a "reserved matter" and would be handled in the UK parliament. Section 7.1 of the 1998 Scotland act seems to suggest that the matter of the EU would be reserved, but obligations under EU law are not.

"Scotland didn't let you down" - standing ovation in the EU Parliament for a Scottish MEP who asks the EU to not let Scotland down.

England isn't staying in, so the EU - perhaps including Spain - won't care what England (outside London) thinks.

With respect to the original post, this context has huge implications for the way forward.

It would be good if people didnt confuse the UK with great britain and england. Great Britain is an island with three countries on it, The UK is made up of that island and also includes northern ireland and a number of smaller islands.

England doesn't technically have a parliament, it was disolved in 1801 and replaced with the UK parliament under the act of union.

The referendum was held by the UK parliament which represents all of the people in the United Kingdom of great Britain and northern ireland, including gibraltar regardless of which actal country they live in, for which the majority of the UK population voted for leave.

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#1583051 30-Jun-2016 00:41

Maybe OT because not about 'what happens next' but hopefully a bit relevant:

https://youtu.be/37iHSwA1SwE

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#1583052 30-Jun-2016 01:07

eracode:
Maybe OT because not about 'what happens next' but hopefully a bit relevant:

https://youtu.be/37iHSwA1SwE

Ok I laughed, when was this first made BTW? ;)

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#1583053 30-Jun-2016 01:13

PhantomNVD:
eracode:

Maybe OT because not about 'what happens next' but hopefully a bit relevant:

https://youtu.be/37iHSwA1SwE

Ok I laughed, when was this first made BTW? ;)

Not sure - early '80's?

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#1583259 30-Jun-2016 11:58

From today's Times

"The FTSE 100 index regained all its losses since the referendum result, rising 6.3 per cent from Monday to close at 6,360.06 yesterday."

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#1583264 30-Jun-2016 12:04

eracode:

PhantomNVD:
eracode:

Maybe OT because not about 'what happens next' but hopefully a bit relevant:

https://youtu.be/37iHSwA1SwE

Ok I laughed, when was this first made BTW? ;)

Not sure - early '80's?

First broadcast March 1980, but it shows the deep cynicism that existed for the EU in the UK even way back then, when EU "directives" were even fewer....

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