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#2093979 20-Sep-2018 17:32

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Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has fired embattled MP Meka Whaitiri as a minister over an incident with a staff-member.

Whaitiri was stood down on August 30 after it was alleged she shouted at and manhandled a member of her staff three days earlier, and an investigation launched.

Ardern has received a report from the investigation and said while Whaitiri was still disputing aspects of the event, there was no doubt that an incident had taken place.

When it rains, it pours.

It does make me wonder where the threshold of behaviour lies for being deemed no longer suitable to be a Labour MP. Evidently, with this and Mallard's prior assault on Tau Henare, it is much lower than I had first imagined it might be.

sacking a Minister is easy getting rid of an Electorate MP is not. It opens a pandoras box of issues for the party and Parliament.

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#2094151 20-Sep-2018 20:54

rjt123: The government had been providing plenty of news fodder without having to resort to polls to generate headlines.

They don't generally run them very regularly outside of election year. I don't put a lot of stock in polls except when there is a general election coming up, a large portion of the general public don't pay much attention to politics except around elections, so their opinions on a telephone poll are not necessarily indicative of the real results you would actually get if people gave it serious thought.

Thats a fair comment. Id rather news fodder than no news at all, i.e. no action. Better to try, and fail, than never to try at all, and still fail

That why I switched my vote. If the new Govt didnt cut it, nothing has changed.

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#2094153 20-Sep-2018 21:00

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Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has fired embattled MP Meka Whaitiri as a minister over an incident with a staff-member.

Whaitiri was stood down on August 30 after it was alleged she shouted at and manhandled a member of her staff three days earlier, and an investigation launched.

Ardern has received a report from the investigation and said while Whaitiri was still disputing aspects of the event, there was no doubt that an incident had taken place.

When it rains, it pours.

Has not been a good couple of months for the Coalition. Their shallow depth of experience is hurting them.

I dont disagree. Inexperienced. BUT, when we had experience, which I voted for, they sat on their butts and left health and education faltering, while there was no housing crisis apparently . Then they had a big health budget, but fooled no one as most of that was a one off multi catchup for aged care workers, health was again left out. Again, why I voted, not for change, but for anything. If "anything" fails, no worse off

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#2094154 20-Sep-2018 21:05

rjt123:

In saying that, the gdp is good - let's hope it stays up. If this government can deliver strong economic performance and make beneficial social improvements at the smae time then I have no objection.

The reason I don't like this coalition is because I felt, given its policies that delivering success on either of those two fronts was highly unlikely, and is by no means guaranteed in the long-term yet.

That is my hope. They had a good budget, things ahead of the expectation. But instead of showering benefits galore, they took a conservative approach. Can spend now, but lets wait. The teachers and nurses deserve a lot, they got some, but the Govt was tough. Its no lolly scramble. Its a blend of financial conservatism with social improvement. Not that I agree with all their social improvement, but its stable. Inexperience I can live with

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#2094165 20-Sep-2018 22:09

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rjt123:

In saying that, the gdp is good - let's hope it stays up. If this government can deliver strong economic performance and make beneficial social improvements at the smae time then I have no objection.

The reason I don't like this coalition is because I felt, given its policies that delivering success on either of those two fronts was highly unlikely, and is by no means guaranteed in the long-term yet.

That is my hope. They had a good budget, things ahead of the expectation. But instead of showering benefits galore, they took a conservative approach. Can spend now, but lets wait. The teachers and nurses deserve a lot, they got some, but the Govt was tough. Its no lolly scramble. Its a blend of financial conservatism with social improvement. Not that I agree with all their social improvement, but its stable. Inexperience I can live with

It was a responsible budget - and a stab in the back for their voters. Most of whom probably hoped for them to implement their election promises.

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#2094223 21-Sep-2018 07:09

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It was a responsible budget - and a stab in the back for their voters. Most of whom probably hoped for them to implement their election promises.

Not sure how many of their voters expected everything in one budget.

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#2094251 21-Sep-2018 08:47

Amusing how those who are determined to find fault with this government manage to turn even something they approve of into something negative.

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#2094254 21-Sep-2018 08:53

Rikkitic:

Amusing how those who are determined to find fault with this government manage to turn even something they approve of into something negative.

Yes, so again, there is no discussion, just venting

He should have said either all policies should have been in the budget, or these ones should have, and others next two budgets.

But no

My favourite one was a poster said the day after the election result, Twyfords Kiwibuild is already behind.

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#2094275 21-Sep-2018 09:03

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I dont disagree. Inexperienced. BUT, when we had experience, which I voted for, they sat on their butts and left health and education faltering, while there was no housing crisis apparently . Then they had a big health budget, but fooled no one as most of that was a one off multi catchup for aged care workers, health was again left out. Again, why I voted, not for change, but for anything. If "anything" fails, no worse off

You must be thrilled then to see them cut $500M of their promised budget for healthcare and give it to Winston, followed by increasing workloads for GP's who are already under massive pressure in an area they can't find enough doctors, whilst not giving them any additional renumeration.

I know Doctors who voted Labour who now feel they are worse off under Labour than with National.

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#2094278 21-Sep-2018 09:05

MikeB4:

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Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has fired embattled MP Meka Whaitiri as a minister over an incident with a staff-member.

Whaitiri was stood down on August 30 after it was alleged she shouted at and manhandled a member of her staff three days earlier, and an investigation launched.

Ardern has received a report from the investigation and said while Whaitiri was still disputing aspects of the event, there was no doubt that an incident had taken place.

When it rains, it pours.

Has not been a good couple of months for the Coalition. Their shallow depth of experience is hurting them.

Have we gone a month without a scandal?

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#2094286 21-Sep-2018 09:12

networkn:

tdgeek:

I dont disagree. Inexperienced. BUT, when we had experience, which I voted for, they sat on their butts and left health and education faltering, while there was no housing crisis apparently . Then they had a big health budget, but fooled no one as most of that was a one off multi catchup for aged care workers, health was again left out. Again, why I voted, not for change, but for anything. If "anything" fails, no worse off

You must be thrilled then to see them cut $500M of their promised budget for healthcare and give it to Winston, followed by increasing workloads for GP's who are already under massive pressure in an area they can't find enough doctors, whilst not giving them any additional renumeration.

I know Doctors who voted Labour who now feel they are worse off under Labour than with National.

Resolving 9 years of underfunding isn't a quick fix, that's simple math. Same with teachers and nurse salaries. Dents are being made.

Thats somewhat better than banking the money and talking about the surplus (from it)

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#2094338 21-Sep-2018 09:30

tdgeek:

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I know Doctors who voted Labour who now feel they are worse off under Labour than with National.

Resolving 9 years of underfunding isn't a quick fix, that's simple math. Same with teachers and nurse salaries. Dents are being made.

Again, that's starting from a false premise. (one that's so often repeated, it's become accepted as truth by many)

By every single measure, the previous Government increased funding in Healthcare at a higher rate than the last Labour government.

In total spend, in spend adjusted for inflation, in spend adjusted for inflation and for population growth - all measures of funding were more than 10% higher under Key's National govt than under Clark's Labour one.

You could argue that it still wasn't enough to fund all health initiatives that the DHB's wanted, but that's never been the case.

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#2094339 21-Sep-2018 09:33

Its clear that all policies and fixes should have been done last budget. If it was, the complaints will shift to having to borrow, or putting other stuff back. If they had to manage the annual expenditure year on year that's fine, but there has been 9 years of underfunding in more than one sector. Had we all got the free $2000 p.a. tax cuts, that reduces Govt revenue, it would be even further behind. 9 years into 1 year doesn't go

With that, this thread is just a disgruntle thread, I'm out

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#2094342 21-Sep-2018 09:36

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I know Doctors who voted Labour who now feel they are worse off under Labour than with National.

Resolving 9 years of underfunding isn't a quick fix, that's simple math. Same with teachers and nurse salaries. Dents are being made.

Again, that's starting from a false premise. (one that's so often repeated, it's become accepted as truth by many)

By every single measure, the previous Government increased funding in Healthcare at a higher rate than the last Labour government.

In total spend, in spend adjusted for inflation, in spend adjusted for inflation and for population growth - all measures of funding were more than 10% higher under Key's National govt than under Clark's Labour one.

You could argue that it still wasn't enough to fund all health initiatives that the DHB's wanted, but that's never been the case.

Ask them. And deduct the massive one off catchup for aged care workers that turned one impressive increase into a factual decrease. Funding increased every year, that is not the issue, its underfunding. You can increase and underfund, you know that.

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#2094345 21-Sep-2018 09:42

tdgeek:

Its clear that all policies and fixes should have been done last budget. If it was, the complaints will shift to having to borrow, or putting other stuff back. If they had to manage the annual expenditure year on year that's fine, but there has been 9 years of underfunding in more than one sector. Had we all got the free $2000 p.a. tax cuts, that reduces Govt revenue, it would be even further behind. 9 years into 1 year doesn't go

With that, this thread is just a disgruntle thread, I'm out

You state your opinion like it's fact, when in fact it's just your interpretation of the information being presented. When others challenge this, you call it a "rant" and leave.

You say you want a discussion, but it appears more likely you want to state your opinion, and have it go unchallenged.

I am wondering if you maintain, that Labour would have done a better job in the past 9 years that National was in power than National did, despite what National had to deal with?

Labour has had no disasters or major issues to deal with other than the ones of their own making, and they are barely holding it together.

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