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#3172906 18-Dec-2023 09:24

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Prime Minister Christopher Luxon under fire for using public funds to learn te reo Māori - NZ Herald

I assume in the official statement from the Prime Minister we are about to learn that it was his wife that submitted the expense request without his knowledge.

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#3172916 18-Dec-2023 09:38

Did you know he used to run an airl...oh wait, can't use that as a defense for this one. What an idiot 🙄

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#3172948 18-Dec-2023 11:03

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Prime Minister Christopher Luxon under fire for using public funds to learn te reo Māori - NZ Herald

Ah, the political right, what's good for me is not good for you, bootstrap and all that.

Taxpayers have paid for Prime Minister Christopher Luxon’s own Māori language classes, even as he criticised public servants for bonuses for its use.

”People are completely free to learn for themselves,” he said.”That’s what happens out there in the real world, in corporate life, or any other community life across New Zealand.

”I’ve got a number of MPs, for example, that have made a big effort to learn te reo ... they’ve driven that learning themselves because they want to do it.

”In the real world outside of Wellington and outside the bubble of MPs, people who want to learn te reo or want to learn any other education actually pay for it themselves.”

However, Luxon did not follow his own advice. After repeated requests, the Prime Minister’s office confirmed taxpayers paid for Luxon’s own classes using a budget offered to the leader of the Opposition.

Completely disagree with the general understanding of this topic, so many people talk at cross purposes. If I want continuing professional development (or my staff to have CPD) and its going to be part of their role then that learning is funded by the corporate. Thats completely different to asking the employer to pay a bonus each and every year that I subsequently have that skill - sure wrap it into an annual review that lifts the salary but not annual bonuses.

Similarly if I want to learn a language (or any other skill) that isnt part of my role then it would be laughable to ask my employer to pay me a bonus every year cos I've learnt it. Or a lift to my salary. If its part of my role sure. But so many of these bonuses are for people and roles where its not core and the learning is a nice-to-have. Should you pay a bonus for nice-to-haves???

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#3172949 18-Dec-2023 11:07

@ockel did you read the quote at all?

"”In the real world outside of Wellington and outside the bubble of MPs, people who want to learn te reo or want to learn any other education actually pay for it themselves.”"

He said that. He did not follow it.

Nothing to do with the bonuses.

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#3172968 18-Dec-2023 11:59

freitasm: @ockel did you read the quote at all?

"”In the real world outside of Wellington and outside the bubble of MPs, people who want to learn te reo or want to learn any other education actually pay for it themselves.”"

He said that. He did not follow it.

Nothing to do with the bonuses.

The flip side could easily be interpreted that he is both in Wellington and inside the bubble of MPs so the public purse pays for it. If I am in a role that uses a skill and I suggest to my boss that I could do a course in that skill then my boss will fund that course as part of my CPD. Pollys in Wellington are the nexus of requiring te reo.

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#3172969 18-Dec-2023 12:00

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Completely disagree with the general understanding of this topic, so many people talk at cross purposes. If I want continuing professional development (or my staff to have CPD) and its going to be part of their role then that learning is funded by the corporate. Thats completely different to asking the employer to pay a bonus each and every year that I subsequently have that skill - sure wrap it into an annual review that lifts the salary but not annual bonuses.

Similarly if I want to learn a language (or any other skill) that isnt part of my role then it would be laughable to ask my employer to pay me a bonus every year cos I've learnt it. Or a lift to my salary. If its part of my role sure. But so many of these bonuses are for people and roles where its not core and the learning is a nice-to-have. Should you pay a bonus for nice-to-haves???

This reads like a bit of whataboutism to me.

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#3172986 18-Dec-2023 12:42

I'm left scratching my head.... It seems the expectation from government is to make the Maori language more mainstream, make it compulsory in schools etc. Now we expect people to pay to educating themselves if they keen to learn it?

If you want more people to adopt the language.. we need incentives to do it. If we just left it to everybody to their own devices the language will die off. It needs intervention.

I dont see anything wrong with the expectation of this being free.

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#3172991 18-Dec-2023 12:48

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freitasm: @ockel did you read the quote at all?

"”In the real world outside of Wellington and outside the bubble of MPs, people who want to learn te reo or want to learn any other education actually pay for it themselves.”"

He said that. He did not follow it.

Nothing to do with the bonuses.

The flip side could easily be interpreted that he is both in Wellington and inside the bubble of MPs so the public purse pays for it. If I am in a role that uses a skill and I suggest to my boss that I could do a course in that skill then my boss will fund that course as part of my CPD. Pollys in Wellington are the nexus of requiring te reo.

You seem to work in an exceptional workplace, because Luxon clearly thinks the opposite is true.

Again, you didn't read the quote, so I will put another one from the same post:

"”People are completely free to learn for themselves,” he said.”That’s what happens out there in the real world, in corporate life, or any other community life across New Zealand."

Luxon thinks "the real world, in corporate life" does not behave like you described. He clearly says that if people want to learn the language people have to pay for it. However he had taxpayer money pay for his, despite his position.

Hence me pointing his hypocrisy.

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#3173000 18-Dec-2023 13:29

I see Lets Get Wellington Moving is canned.

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#3173003 18-Dec-2023 13:40

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/12/cost-of-living-prime-minister-christopher-luxon-points-finger-at-labour-government-for-decline-in-gdp.html

Hmm, classic. Many interesting themes here, incorrect statements, and above all a dollar each way that we won't fix everything like he promised. Escape hatch completed

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#3173005 18-Dec-2023 13:43

Wombat1:

I'm left scratching my head.... It seems the expectation from government is to make the Maori language more mainstream, make it compulsory in schools etc. Now we expect people to pay to educating themselves if they keen to learn it?

If you want more people to adopt the language.. we need incentives to do it. If we just left it to everybody to their own devices the language will die off. It needs intervention.

I dont see anything wrong with the expectation of this being free.

Yes, a financially challenged person like the PM really needs that incentive.

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#3173007 18-Dec-2023 13:49

Removing the MAPAS scheme that Shane Reti used to become a doctor - check.

Removing the Clean Car Scheme that Luxon used twice while claiming it was a terrible scheme - check.

Removing the te reo funding that Luxon used while claiming that people should pay for it themselves - check.

So what's next?

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#3173008 18-Dec-2023 13:50

Once again unnecessary stirring up of divisions.
Real problem is we don't train enough overall, as we don't for many/most skills.
We certainly don't have too many Māori or Pacifica doctors.

Shane Reti to review 'affirmative action' scheme he graduated from in the 80s
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301028581/shane-reti-to-review-affirmative-action-scheme-he-graduated-from-in-the-80s

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According to the Medical Council's 2023 workforce report, the current proportion of registered Māori doctors is 4.7 percent, with registered Pasifika doctors at 2.3 percent. That remains well short of matching the population as a whole - Māori are about 16.5 percent of the total population and just over eight percent of New Zealanders identify as Pasifika.
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"" Dr Warwick Bagg Deputy Dean Aukland Medical School
But ultimately Bagg says the bigger issue is getting more spaces on the courses.
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He says in its pre-election promises the National Party suggested it would give them additional places."We've yet to hear whether they're going to deliver on those."
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Boy did we need more Māori and Pacifica voices during SARS2 on many levels too.

Strangely enough a Pacifica or Māori doctor can and do treat other folks as well.
As can doctors coming in from a variety of countries which make up a growing proportion, though not enough volume.

Overall we need more doctors and other trained medical staff everywhere through whole system.

Australia not shy on trying to recruit those that may find, antiquated conditions, expensive housing, poor transport is taking gloss off their placement across all medical skills.

One tax cut and it will all be forgotten.
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#3173017 18-Dec-2023 14:09

SaltyNZ:

Removing the MAPAS scheme that Shane Reti used to become a doctor - check.

Removing the Clean Car Scheme that Luxon used twice while claiming it was a terrible scheme - check.

Removing the te reo funding that Luxon used while claiming that people should pay for it themselves - check.

So what's next?

Claiming success for SH 25A being completed in Coromandel...despite having nothing to do with starting it or its construction? Ditto any other projects that Labour started that are coming up for completion - bet that will be billed as "100% National-run" 🙄

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#3173056 18-Dec-2023 15:33

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/18-12-2023/the-champs-and-flops-of-nz-politics-in-2023 >> Luxon gets a few mentions in here.

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