Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

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#3173108 18-Dec-2023 15:48

ezbee:

Once again unnecessary stirring up of divisions.
Real problem is we don't train enough overall, as we don't for many/most skills.
We certainly don't have too many Māori or Pacifica doctors.

Shane Reti to review 'affirmative action' scheme he graduated from in the 80s
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301028581/shane-reti-to-review-affirmative-action-scheme-he-graduated-from-in-the-80s

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According to the Medical Council's 2023 workforce report, the current proportion of registered Māori doctors is 4.7 percent, with registered Pasifika doctors at 2.3 percent. That remains well short of matching the population as a whole - Māori are about 16.5 percent of the total population and just over eight percent of New Zealanders identify as Pasifika.
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"" Dr Warwick Bagg Deputy Dean Aukland Medical School
But ultimately Bagg says the bigger issue is getting more spaces on the courses.
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He says in its pre-election promises the National Party suggested it would give them additional places."We've yet to hear whether they're going to deliver on those."
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Boy did we need more Māori and Pacifica voices during SARS2 on many levels too.

Strangely enough a Pacifica or Māori doctor can and do treat other folks as well.
As can doctors coming in from a variety of countries which make up a growing proportion, though not enough volume.

Overall we need more doctors and other trained medical staff everywhere through whole system.

Australia not shy on trying to recruit those that may find, antiquated conditions, expensive housing, poor transport is taking gloss off their placement across all medical skills.

One tax cut and it will all be forgotten.
Magically we will find a way to deliver more mental health services with a cheap app or Ai at the bottom of the cliff job done !

I have colleagues whose sons/daughters dont even bother applying to Auckland or Otago at the end of their high school years. They know they wont get accepted as there arent enough places after MAPAS and the rural lens. They apply directly to Australian Universities and one suspects that they'll never come back to work in NZ. Population and health need adjustments to our training scheme numbers have been lacking for decades.

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#3173122 18-Dec-2023 16:33

Luxon government getting NZ back on track by creating employment conditions more favourable for migrants than New Zealanders:

However, a crucial exception exists—these [90 day] trials will not apply when hiring international workers, as confirmed by Immigration New Zealand.

“This discrepancy creates an asymmetrical labour landscape, wherein terms and conditions of employment become less favourable for local New Zealanders compared to their international counterparts. The contradictory application of labour laws for local and migrant workers is a departure from the principle ensuring equitable treatment, causing concern within the business and immigration sectors.

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#3173126 18-Dec-2023 16:42

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Completely disagree with the general understanding of this topic, so many people talk at cross purposes. If I want continuing professional development (or my staff to have CPD) and its going to be part of their role then that learning is funded by the corporate. Thats completely different to asking the employer to pay a bonus each and every year that I subsequently have that skill - sure wrap it into an annual review that lifts the salary but not annual bonuses.

Similarly if I want to learn a language (or any other skill) that isnt part of my role then it would be laughable to ask my employer to pay me a bonus every year cos I've learnt it. Or a lift to my salary. If its part of my role sure. But so many of these bonuses are for people and roles where its not core and the learning is a nice-to-have. Should you pay a bonus for nice-to-haves???

Firstly, they aren't "bonuses". The only people describing them as bonuses are the new government and that's a deliberate part of their spin.

Secondly, it's perfectly reasonable for someone with skills in Te Reo to have this recognised and be remunerated accordingly (remember, it's not a bonus). It's a highly transferable skill these days and no doubt proficient speakers could find more money elsewhere at which point it becomes a staff retention issue.

Thirdly, this is the civil service we're talking about here with its highly regimented salary scales. They have to have a name for these not-bonuses to justify paying one guy in a particular pay band a bit more than another. You can't just do the annual review and chuck 'em a couple grand extra like in the private sector.

And finally, struggling to see how some level of proficiency in one of your country's official languages can be described as a "nice to have".

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#3173128 18-Dec-2023 16:53

SaltyNZ:

Removing the MAPAS scheme that Shane Reti used to become a doctor - check.

Removing the Clean Car Scheme that Luxon used twice while claiming it was a terrible scheme - check.

Removing the te reo funding that Luxon used while claiming that people should pay for it themselves - check.

So what's next?

Don't worry.

There'll be another one along shortly.

The new government seams to be taking the approach that if you keep doing outrageous things then no one will be able to remember the last outrageous thing you did.

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#3173138 18-Dec-2023 16:59

ockel:

I have colleagues whose sons/daughters dont even bother applying to Auckland or Otago at the end of their high school years. They know they wont get accepted as there arent enough places after MAPAS and the rural lens. They apply directly to Australian Universities and one suspects that they'll never come back to work in NZ. Population and health need adjustments to our training scheme numbers have been lacking for decades.

That's a reason for funding more places at medical school, not for doing away with schemes that try and encourage more Maori and Pacifica into the medical profession.

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#3173201 18-Dec-2023 18:43

evilengineer:

ockel:

I have colleagues whose sons/daughters dont even bother applying to Auckland or Otago at the end of their high school years. They know they wont get accepted as there arent enough places after MAPAS and the rural lens. They apply directly to Australian Universities and one suspects that they'll never come back to work in NZ. Population and health need adjustments to our training scheme numbers have been lacking for decades.

That's a reason for funding more places at medical school, not for doing away with schemes that try and encourage more Maori and Pacifica into the medical profession.

I have been told that the issue we actually have in NZ is there are not enough senior staff to supervise the hospital training, so med students need to go to Australia anyway.

And this should all have started 20 years ago

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#3173207 18-Dec-2023 19:09

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ockel:

Completely disagree with the general understanding of this topic, so many people talk at cross purposes. If I want continuing professional development (or my staff to have CPD) and its going to be part of their role then that learning is funded by the corporate. Thats completely different to asking the employer to pay a bonus each and every year that I subsequently have that skill - sure wrap it into an annual review that lifts the salary but not annual bonuses.

Similarly if I want to learn a language (or any other skill) that isnt part of my role then it would be laughable to ask my employer to pay me a bonus every year cos I've learnt it. Or a lift to my salary. If its part of my role sure. But so many of these bonuses are for people and roles where its not core and the learning is a nice-to-have. Should you pay a bonus for nice-to-haves???

Firstly, they aren't "bonuses". The only people describing them as bonuses are the new government and that's a deliberate part of their spin.

Secondly, it's perfectly reasonable for someone with skills in Te Reo to have this recognised and be remunerated accordingly (remember, it's not a bonus). It's a highly transferable skill these days and no doubt proficient speakers could find more money elsewhere at which point it becomes a staff retention issue.

Thirdly, this is the civil service we're talking about here with its highly regimented salary scales. They have to have a name for these not-bonuses to justify paying one guy in a particular pay band a bit more than another. You can't just do the annual review and chuck 'em a couple grand extra like in the private sector.

And finally, struggling to see how some level of proficiency in one of your country's official languages can be described as a "nice to have".

Its about being a team player. If you show an interest in NZ and Maori thats great. While its not the be all and end all, its about being a team player. If relegating the Maori culture is a good thing, sorry, no deal. When I look at people I know from other cultures, could be Maori, Pasifika, American, Asian, English, Scottish, they all embrace their culture as its theirs. And if they are here they often embrace what WE have too. Other cultures that Im not familiar with, I'm sure many retain their culture and embrace their new home Down Under. But when you have a media release where Luxon spouts Transport New Zealand and Hipkins spouts Waka Kotahi (admittedly making a point) there is a disconnect.

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#3173210 18-Dec-2023 19:28

evilengineer:

Don't worry.

There'll be another one along shortly.

The new government seams to be taking the approach that if you keep doing outrageous things then no one will be able to remember the last outrageous thing you did.

The last Govt did outrageous things. Like lockdowns, jabs, employER support that helps employEEs

Like every other Covid govt they are gone, ok, thats fine, but while I have not voted conservative for 6 years, and this lot are a joke (Reti excluded but he's ok with smoking and seems aloof to minority groups getting medicine training help, even though that was him) Once the new NZF/ACT/National govt got voted in, thats also fine its a democracy. For the next 6 months it should have been super quiet. But every day there are problems. Why? The first 6 months to a year are bedding in, not much happens, just the trend that we expect based on promises. Over time, results will filter in. Great, ok, or poor, but that wont happen for 2+ years. But it seems to happen every day with this talk up what we can and will do, now its talk up the excuses for when we fail. Probably could learn to read financial spreadsheets and not promise the earth. Like Kiwisaver, the Tax Cut Policy will not be delivered. And every day when we see cuts cuts cuts thats all about trying to deliver the Tax Cut Policy when it already fell well short, let alone the financial demands of who runs this country, NZF and ACT. Jacinda could be well critiqued for her "feelings" attitude, but now we have fake news and excuses.

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#3173220 18-Dec-2023 20:21

evilengineer:

The new government seams to be taking the approach that if you keep doing outrageous things then no one will be able to remember the last outrageous thing you did.

tdgeek:

And every day when we see cuts cuts cuts thats all about trying to deliver the Tax Cut Policy when it already fell well short, let alone the financial demands of who runs this country, NZF and ACT. Jacinda could be well critiqued for her "feelings" attitude, but now we have fake news and excuses.

This is all starting to remind me a bit of someone else who was a leader of some country once upon a time. He didn't win the most votes in his elections, either. Bizarrely, I seem to recall him being orange-coloured.

Also - a rather scathing commentary: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/12/christopher-luxon-faces-walkbacks-over-te-reo-planes.html

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#3173287 19-Dec-2023 09:59

Government introduces Taxation Principles Reporting Act repeal Bill | Beehive.govt.nz

Right. Let's remove the reporting and transparency from the tax process. Let's see what principles this government don't want reporting on:

Taxation Principles Reporting Act 2023 No 55, Public Act – New Zealand Legislation

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#3173307 19-Dec-2023 10:59

Those 'principles' are largely nonsense and we managed to have a functional revenue agency for years before they existed.

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#3173308 19-Dec-2023 11:01

The agency is functional, but does the public know if it's working - except for the "collecting money"?

Oh, I'm sorry. Asking for transparency and accountability is too much wokeness for some politicians and segments of society, it seems.

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#3173312 19-Dec-2023 11:10

freitasm:

The agency is functional, but does the public know if it's working - except for the "collecting money"?

Oh, I'm sorry. Asking for transparency and accountability is too much wokeness for some politicians and segments of society, it seems.

"It would have required Inland Revenue to report annually on tax measures against a set of tax principles."

Seems a good level of accountability for the people that pay the taxes. It all depends if accountability is desirable or not..... Its not the first accountability/assessment ACT to be dumped

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#3173313 19-Dec-2023 11:14

freitasm:

Oh, I'm sorry. Asking for transparency and accountability is too much wokeness for some politicians and segments of society, it seems.

Accountability against what? A bunch of mission statements that were never consulted on?

Ridiculously, the introduction of the speech cited the High Wealth Individual report as an example of the kind of 'facts' this framework would lead to - a report which was fraught with issues from the information-gathering stage to the 'analysis' they mustered based off it.

If that's their idea of quality output, then good riddance.

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#3173320 19-Dec-2023 11:44

tdgeek:

Seems a good level of accountability for the people that pay the taxes. It all depends if accountability is desirable or not..... Its not the first accountability/assessment ACT to be dumped

Libertarians aren't exactly famous for their love of being held accountable for their actions.

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