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#2138337 3-Dec-2018 09:01

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To see the reality of the situation you need to see the polls at the same time from previous 12 months after elections. From what I see...

PM is the lowest rating for preferred PM in recent times 12 months after an election....they must be concerned

Opposition party polling higher than government one year after election is laughable

Opposition leaders polls are irrelevant. No one really cares 12 months after an election what the opposition leader polls except desperate Labour supporters wanting to show a little muscle flexing.

The biggest issue I see is that the Nats with the most votes in the last election, and still the highest polling, could not make a government. But with this probably Winstons last term as an MP, the situation just gets more interesting.

There is NO DOUBTing the fact that this Government is not liked and they must do a lot more to turn the vote around. I suspect the voting public are not happy with some of the weak Ministers in power.

Bias is fine, but wow, this post is a classic. You might want to create a new thread. No Matter What, I Will Always Love National and Hate Labour...No Matter What

Here, a discussion not a whinefest is preferred

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#2138346 3-Dec-2018 09:23

Eh? The opposition being the highest polling party is kind of a big deal.

It does put the discussions about lowering the thresholds for MMP in a whole new light though.

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#2138357 3-Dec-2018 09:30

GV27: Eh? The opposition being the highest polling party is kind of a big deal.

It does put the discussions about lowering the thresholds for MMP in a whole new light though.

He said "Opposition party polling higher than government one year after election is laughable" National is not polling higher than the Government. It is polling higher than Labour. The left is fragmented between Labour and Greens, so that should always happen

MMP threshold is an issue. National would prefer to raise it so as to drop significant minority parties, as that is left biased. fairness wise, every party should be represented but we don't want 26 new parties of 20 people each. TOP should have got in, they were a genuine party not a fun party, that needs to be encouraged

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#2138374 3-Dec-2018 09:59

Bluntj:

To see the reality of the situation you need to see the polls at the same time from previous 12 months after elections. From what I see...

PM is the lowest rating for preferred PM in recent times 12 months after an election....they must be concerned

Opposition party polling higher than government one year after election is laughable

Opposition leaders polls are irrelevant. No one really cares 12 months after an election what the opposition leader polls except desperate Labour supporters wanting to show a little muscle flexing.

The biggest issue I see is that the Nats with the most votes in the last election, and still the highest polling, could not make a government. But with this probably Winstons last term as an MP, the situation just gets more interesting.

There is NO DOUBTing the fact that this Government is not liked and they must do a lot more to turn the vote around. I suspect the voting public are not happy with some of the weak Ministers in power.

The Government is not behind in the poll

Government; Labour 43%, NZ Green 5%, NZ First 4% making the Governemt 52%

The Opposition; National 46%, Act 1% making the opposition 47%

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#2138568 3-Dec-2018 13:38

MikeB4:

Bluntj:

To see the reality of the situation you need to see the polls at the same time from previous 12 months after elections. From what I see...

PM is the lowest rating for preferred PM in recent times 12 months after an election....they must be concerned

Opposition party polling higher than government one year after election is laughable

Opposition leaders polls are irrelevant. No one really cares 12 months after an election what the opposition leader polls except desperate Labour supporters wanting to show a little muscle flexing.

The biggest issue I see is that the Nats with the most votes in the last election, and still the highest polling, could not make a government. But with this probably Winstons last term as an MP, the situation just gets more interesting.

There is NO DOUBTing the fact that this Government is not liked and they must do a lot more to turn the vote around. I suspect the voting public are not happy with some of the weak Ministers in power.

The Government is not behind in the poll

Government; Labour 43%, NZ Green 5%, NZ First 4% making the Governemt 52%

The Opposition; National 46%, Act 1% making the opposition 47%

This "government" ceases to exist on election night.

All I intended to say that these poll results after one year are a sad state of affairs.

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#2138572 3-Dec-2018 13:52

If we compare to 2017 election.

Government 50.40% change is -1.6% points

Qpposition 44.9% change is -2.1% points

Given that it can be said that the opposition is performing worse. However considering margin of error I would say that we are at the same levels as the election, the Coalition can take heart from that.

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#2138585 3-Dec-2018 14:11

Bluntj:

This "government" ceases to exist on election night.

All I intended to say that these poll results after one year are a sad state of affairs.

1. You said "government one year after election " I don't see where the last election night comes into it. As in one year after.

2. I agree, along the lines of @MikeB4 comment.

Look, it's fine to be biased, we are ALL biased in this Politics forum. It just depends if we can discuss as objectively as we can. Or if we want to advise the rest of us how upset we are still.

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#2138679 3-Dec-2018 17:33

We seem to be going back in time with the petrol tanker drivers saying they will strike before christmas. Are the Interisland Ferries next? wouldn't surprise me. I wonder how many strike days there has been since teh Coalition came into power.

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#2138819 3-Dec-2018 20:53

MikeB4:

We seem to be going back in time with the petrol tanker drivers saying they will strike before christmas. Are the Interisland Ferries next? wouldn't surprise me. I wonder how many strike days there has been since teh Coalition came into power.

That is an excellent question.

There are two takes.

1. Its Labour, if you are true blue for life, Labour is run/managed/owned by the Unions, so yes its strike time

2. You can't strike when National has power, as if the demands were extremely reasonable, a strike will fail. National cannot bow down to strikers (which I agree)

Health and Education have and are striking. Either they have a reasonable demand or they don't. If you believe in underfunding (which all National supported do not), then the strike can only be Union based, and therefore Labour based. If you feel there has been underfunding, there is an option to strike, as essentially, that is not unreasonable.

IMHO those that struck have a case. Underfunding. The Govt offered a sound deal, no dice, they offered a bit more, no dice. Now, a 9% increase over 18 months, and a cash bonus is a nice deal, but they seemed to decline. I agree if they decline, BUT the Consolidated Fund is not a bottomless cup of coffee. So strike if you must as thats not unreasonable, but be sensible. If others choose to hop on the bandwagon, fire them.

To Labours credit they negotiated, they increased the offers, then they said NO.

Back in the day labour was the Unions. Its pretty obvious that both parties are centrist. One that favours social action and the environment, and one that favours business. But they are both centrist these days. If you look at a few Govt statements, thats pretty obvious.

In conclusion I don't buy the strikes are Labour caused, but in terms of the Unions they are. Trying to be, but they will fail.

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#2138897 3-Dec-2018 22:04

To be a little bit fair...the main reason we saw low strikes for 9 years was due to the effect of the GFC and the 2 earthquakes. There simply wasnt any money for state salary rises, unlike the lolly scramble now.

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#2138966 4-Dec-2018 07:20

Bluntj:

To be a little bit fair...the main reason we saw low strikes for 9 years was due to the effect of the GFC and the 2 earthquakes. There simply wasnt any money for state salary rises, unlike the lolly scramble now.

So, there was no money for state salary rises for 9 years? Ok. So they have fallen behind by 9 years, less whatever small increases have occured. How can that be a lolly scramble? A good example of a lolly scramble is baiting the public with a $2000 annual tax cut in election year, which gives anyone on the minimum wage up to the well off and wealthier, free money. Thats a lolly scramble, and what the old Labour fraternity would pull. I'm sure if your salary had declined in real terms over 9 years of no or little increases, you would not call a request to achieve a level of deserved catchup, a lolly scramble.

NZ weathered the GFC far better than most, but yes that is an effect. The EQ's were funded by EQC reserves, but yes, there is also an effect beyond that. However, National prided itself on giving regular surpluses. There was capability of maintaining some form of equity over the period, especially if they can afford $2000 p.a. for all salary and wage earners irregardless of the level of income. Labour has a 9 year catchup, as you admit, to deal with. Inherited. So, they have offered a good deal, then drawn the line and said no more. That is a little bit fair IMO. Its a start, for a change.

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#2139519 5-Dec-2018 08:11

If the polls are so good for National, why do photos of Bridges always make him look like a puppy that has just been kicked?

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#2139657 5-Dec-2018 10:23

Rikkitic:

If the polls are so good for National, why do photos of Bridges always make him look like a puppy that has just been kicked?

I've noticed that the choice of imagery accompanying a story tends to reflect the mind-set of the publisher/editor more than anything else.

Example: Google Image Search

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#2139663 5-Dec-2018 10:26

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Rikkitic:

If the polls are so good for National, why do photos of Bridges always make him look like a puppy that has just been kicked?

I've noticed that the choice of imagery accompanying a story tends to reflect the mind-set of the publisher/editor more than anything else.

Example: Google Image Search

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#2139665 5-Dec-2018 10:30

Rikkitic:

If the polls are so good for National, why do photos of Bridges always make him look like a puppy that has just been kicked?

If someone made a similar comment about JA, there would be hell to pay.

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