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  #3189804 3-Feb-2024 09:36
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michaelmurfy:

 

Wow... https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/02/experts-detail-swathe-of-possible-connections-between-coalition-government-politicians-and-tobacco-industry-david-seymour-responds.html 

 

Casey Costello, the Minister of Health Responsible for Tobacco, previously chaired the Taxpayers' Union board - which has previously received funding from British American Tobacco - and has links with the Atlas Network, which has also received tobacco industry funding

 

Finance Minister Nicola Willis was previously the board director for New Zealand Initiative, a think tank which lists British American Tobacco and Imperial Brands Australasia as members.    

 

Chris Bishop, who is ranked third on the National Party list, was formerly the corporate affairs manager for Philip Morris New Zealand.

 

 

PM’s sister-in-law works for world’s biggest tobacco company | Stuff

 

 

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon’s sister-in-law works as a trade and marketing coordinator for British American Tobacco, the largest tobacco company in the world, but he says he never discussed tobacco policy with her.

 

 

Right. Not even in the "Hi, great Christmas dinner. Hey, I'm looking for some opinions here..."?

 

From the same article:

 

 

Professor Janet Hoek, Prof Richard Edwards, and Associate Professor Andrew Waa- co-directors of ASPIRE Aotearoa Research Centre, and based in Department of Public Health, University of Otago said it was “concerning to see that Government coalition politicians have used similar claims to those made in submissions on the retail reduction policy by tobacco companies and groups that receive tobacco industry-funding," they wrote in a public health briefing.

 

"Even more importantly, these examples raise important questions about how tobacco companies’ rhetoric has emerged in explanations offered by coalition politicians when asked to explain repealing the smokefree legislation.“

 

Professor Boyd Swinburn has said he has never seen a health minister involved with what he described as “anti-health” policies.

 

 

And yet from that article:

 

 

NZ First MP Shane Jones said he took “soundings” from tobacco lobbyist and friend, Apirana Dawson, for the party’s tobacco policy. Dawson was a guest at the swearing in ceremony for ministers and was pictured posing with Jones.

 

 

It's really looking like "where there's smoke... there's tobacco"?

 

And for those wondering, this is miles away from the "government is in league with Globalists, Pfizer, WHO and Bill Gates to create a disease that will bring chaos designed to mask and inject us with a vaccine that will be activated via 5G" stories, in terms of plausability.

 

 





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  #3189831 3-Feb-2024 11:54
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It shouldn't matter what connections various politicians have with the tobacco industry. If you are trying to reduce the incidence of smoking you use every weapon in your arsenal even if it only has a marginal effect.

 

So increase tax, restrict outlets, ban advertising, introduce age restrictions and whatever else you can think of.

 

Arguing for one approach and omitting others is like saying 'I've got seat belts - why do I need airbags?' 


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  #3189884 3-Feb-2024 12:42
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SJB:

 

It shouldn't matter what connections various politicians have with the tobacco industry. If you are trying to reduce the incidence of smoking you use every weapon in your arsenal even if it only has a marginal effect.

 

So increase tax, restrict outlets, ban advertising, introduce age restrictions and whatever else you can think of.

 

Arguing for one approach and omitting others is like saying 'I've got seat belts - why do I need airbags?' 

 

 

This government removed a plan that was in place to reduce smoking by introducing gradual age restrictions while proposing reducing or freezing taxes on products.

 

This government is doing the opposite of what you wrote.

 

This government seems to be doing exactly what the tobacco industry would like, to the detriment of health and budget.





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  #3189904 3-Feb-2024 14:00
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Totally agree.


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  #3189964 3-Feb-2024 15:56
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freitasm:

 

SJB:

 

It shouldn't matter what connections various politicians have with the tobacco industry. If you are trying to reduce the incidence of smoking you use every weapon in your arsenal even if it only has a marginal effect.

 

So increase tax, restrict outlets, ban advertising, introduce age restrictions and whatever else you can think of.

 

Arguing for one approach and omitting others is like saying 'I've got seat belts - why do I need airbags?' 

 

 

This government removed a plan that was in place to reduce smoking by introducing gradual age restrictions while proposing reducing or freezing taxes on products.

 

This government is doing the opposite of what you wrote.

 

This government seems to be doing exactly what the tobacco industry would like, to the detriment of health and budget.

 

 

And because the government repeats the rhetoric used by tobacco industry when the industry argued against the existing rules, there is a prima facie case to say the government is not changing the rules because they thought it up themselves but because their overlords want it to be so.





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  #3189966 3-Feb-2024 15:59
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The government is addicted to spendingsmoking.

 

 





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  #3190026 3-Feb-2024 18:19
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freitasm:

 

PM’s sister-in-law works for world’s biggest tobacco company | Stuff

 

 

This is the dumbest story I've seen in a while and basically ragebait.

 

The story says she's a marketing co-ordinator. That's a low level, largely adminstrative function with no significant benefit to her personally from these changes. It's akin to saying that a government is engaging in corruption for changing planning laws because the PMs brother in law in a builder.

 

There's no evidence of any malfesance in the article, it's just nonsense.

 

One of the nice things about politics in New Zealand is personal lives and families are largely off limits unless there's clear evidence to the contrary. It's really sad to see this change.


 
 
 

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  #3190030 3-Feb-2024 18:35
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Handle9:

 

 It's akin to saying that a government is engaging in corruption for changing planning laws because the PMs brother in law in a builder.

 

 

 

 

Nah, but the man who owns 7 houses is going to enact retroactive tax cuts for landlords.





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  #3190032 3-Feb-2024 18:43
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Treasury putting hard word on the Government?
Money for tax cuts may not be there. So if you want to do it. 
You need more income.

 

We have had a lot of unexpected costs as well, rebuilding.
Considering all the additional expenses of our shaky, weather-beaten isles?

Paywallitis strikes again.

 


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  #3190034 3-Feb-2024 18:50
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ezbee: Money for tax cuts may not be there. So if you want to do it.

You need more income.

 

Well they've got money there but would rather tax cuts for their mates instead of giving it to general folk. Anyway, I can't paste the article here but I asked GPT4 to summerise it:

 

Revenue Shortfall Warning: Treasury officials warned the new Government of a long-term discrepancy between tax revenue and government spending. The previous Government's spending barely covered current cost pressures, and further cuts could affect services.

 

Spending Cuts and Tax Reforms Suggested: To achieve a surplus by 2026/27 and stabilize public finances, officials recommended spending cuts and possibly implementing a capital gains tax, despite political resistance, especially from the coalition parties.

 

Insurance Sector Vulnerability: New Zealand was noted as having the second-highest risk for annual losses to insurers globally, indicating potential difficulties for businesses and households in obtaining affordable insurance coverage.

 

Economic Performance and Challenges: While New Zealand has seen strong wage growth compared to OECD countries, maintaining this trend requires increasing productivity. The government faces challenges in balancing expenditure, especially with healthcare and NZ Superannuation, against revenue, with projections showing a significant deficit by 2061 without policy changes.

 

Fiscal Management Recommendations: Treasury recommended reducing budget allowances to encourage more efficient spending within agencies, criticized pre-election fiscal expansions, and proposed a disciplined approach to achieve a planned surplus. Suggestions included finding savings, constraining new spending growth, increasing tax revenue, and managing the Crown’s balance sheet more effectively.

 

Taxation Issues and Recommendations: Identified problems included disparities between personal and company tax rates and the absence of a comprehensive capital gains tax, which impacts revenue collection efficiency and contributes to higher house prices. Treasury advocated for major tax reforms addressing these issues early in the term.

 

Social Policy Concerns: High house prices and a declining education system were highlighted as economic drags, necessitating attention beyond fiscal policies.

 

This summary encapsulates the document's critical warnings, recommendations, and the economic context within which these issues are situated, emphasizing the need for strategic fiscal management and policy reforms to address long-term sustainability challenges.





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  #3190040 3-Feb-2024 19:15
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SaltyNZ:

Handle9:


 It's akin to saying that a government is engaging in corruption for changing planning laws because the PMs brother in law in a builder.



 


Nah, but the man who owns 7 houses is going to enact retroactive tax cuts for landlords.



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His extended family isn’t.

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ezbee:

Treasury putting hard word on the Government?
Money for tax cuts may not be there. So if you want to do it. 
You need more income.


We have had a lot of unexpected costs as well, rebuilding.
Considering all the additional expenses of our shaky, weather-beaten isles?

Paywallitis strikes again.




The same Treasury that failed to call the last budget expansionary, that failed to see increased debt as a problem, suddenly calls for macro and fiscal restraint and sees ballooning debt as a problem. The only thing that has changed is the boss.

McLeish needs to resign. Advice to the Ministers has been woeful and inadequate. Almost politically tainted.




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  #3190144 4-Feb-2024 07:52
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michaelmurfy:

 

ezbee: Money for tax cuts may not be there. So if you want to do it.

You need more income.

 

Well they've got money there but would rather tax cuts for their mates instead of giving it to general folk. Anyway, I can't paste the article here but I asked GPT4 to summerise it:

 

Revenue Shortfall Warning: Treasury officials warned the new Government of a long-term discrepancy between tax revenue and government spending. The previous Government's spending barely covered current cost pressures, and further cuts could affect services.

 

Spending Cuts and Tax Reforms Suggested: To achieve a surplus by 2026/27 and stabilize public finances, officials recommended spending cuts and possibly implementing a capital gains tax, despite political resistance, especially from the coalition parties.

 

Insurance Sector Vulnerability: New Zealand was noted as having the second-highest risk for annual losses to insurers globally, indicating potential difficulties for businesses and households in obtaining affordable insurance coverage.

 

Economic Performance and Challenges: While New Zealand has seen strong wage growth compared to OECD countries, maintaining this trend requires increasing productivity. The government faces challenges in balancing expenditure, especially with healthcare and NZ Superannuation, against revenue, with projections showing a significant deficit by 2061 without policy changes.

 

Fiscal Management Recommendations: Treasury recommended reducing budget allowances to encourage more efficient spending within agencies, criticized pre-election fiscal expansions, and proposed a disciplined approach to achieve a planned surplus. Suggestions included finding savings, constraining new spending growth, increasing tax revenue, and managing the Crown’s balance sheet more effectively.

 

Taxation Issues and Recommendations: Identified problems included disparities between personal and company tax rates and the absence of a comprehensive capital gains tax, which impacts revenue collection efficiency and contributes to higher house prices. Treasury advocated for major tax reforms addressing these issues early in the term.

 

Social Policy Concerns: High house prices and a declining education system were highlighted as economic drags, necessitating attention beyond fiscal policies.

 

This summary encapsulates the document's critical warnings, recommendations, and the economic context within which these issues are situated, emphasizing the need for strategic fiscal management and policy reforms to address long-term sustainability challenges.

 

 

That must be fake news, the intelligent and highly regarded new PM and Minister of Finance said its all fully funded, and its conservative as well, so can't be a problem!  /S


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ezbee:

 

Treasury putting hard word on the Government?
Money for tax cuts may not be there. So if you want to do it. 
You need more income.

 

We have had a lot of unexpected costs as well, rebuilding.
Considering all the additional expenses of our shaky, weather-beaten isles?

Paywallitis strikes again.

 

 

 

Both Labour and National have a history of dragging Treasury on things like this even when they are, in the fullness of time, ultimately proved correct. It will be interesting to see whether National continue to do what they slammed Labour for doing.


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  #3190149 4-Feb-2024 08:53
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And in a rare misstep for Simeon Brown, MBIE also warns that un-banning oil and gas exploration is unlikely to fix anything (oh, and also our major trading partners expect us to be moving in the right direction if we wish to continue selling stuff to them). And that a major problem we actually have with energy uncertainty is the dry year issue, which the Lake Onslow project they cancelled was designed to address. And that the GIDI fund they took all the money from in order to give taxcuts to landlords was designed to address the difficulty in moving from fossil fuels with an uncertain but worsening future to clean energy.





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