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#2961672 31-Aug-2022 16:52

For me this just reinforces the notion that Labour are seriously short in any talent outside of the PM, Grant Robertson and Mr Fixit Finlayson. Not only that but ministers are also refusing to listen to expert advice, treasury warning them about the cost of living payment problems for example.

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#2961684 31-Aug-2022 18:05

marmel: For me this just reinforces the notion that Labour are seriously short in any talent outside of the PM, Grant Robertson and Mr Fixit Finlayson. Not only that but ministers are also refusing to listen to expert advice, treasury warning them about the cost of living payment problems for example.

Regretfully, I have to agree with you. It is like they are in self-destruct mode. Let's see, what else can we do to make sure people won't vote for us next time. I have had enough. I guess I will have to just vote for the legalise cannabis party again.

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#2961685 31-Aug-2022 18:09

Rikkitic:
marmel: For me this just reinforces the notion that Labour are seriously short in any talent outside of the PM, Grant Robertson and Mr Fixit Finlayson. Not only that but ministers are also refusing to listen to expert advice, treasury warning them about the cost of living payment problems for example.

Regretfully, I have to agree with you. It is like they are in self-destruct mode. Let's see, what else can we do to make sure people won't vote for us next time. I have had enough. I guess I will have to just vote for the legalise cannabis party again.

Yeah it’s a sad state of affairs, neither of the major parties appeals much at the moment but we know one of them is going to be the bulk of the next government.

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#2961686 31-Aug-2022 18:13

Oh it's gone. So far I have not seen any articles on the underlying GST issue Parker was trying to remediate.

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#2961740 1-Sep-2022 06:33

Rikkitic:

marmel: For me this just reinforces the notion that Labour are seriously short in any talent outside of the PM, Grant Robertson and Mr Fixit Finlayson. Not only that but ministers are also refusing to listen to expert advice, treasury warning them about the cost of living payment problems for example.

Regretfully, I have to agree with you. It is like they are in self-destruct mode. Let's see, what else can we do to make sure people won't vote for us next time. I have had enough. I guess I will have to just vote for the legalise cannabis party again.

I can't remember an election since 2005 where both parties were working so hard to win as few votes as possible.

Might have to dust of a protest vote for the Aotearoa Anti-Woke Legalise Everything Mandatory Gay Marriage Standing At the Back Dressed Stupidly and Looking Stupid Party. Or United Future, which ever has more comedic value.

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#2961752 1-Sep-2022 08:16

networkn:

Mr Parker, please let us know, who you 'extensively' consulted with? The public was vehemently opposed to it, you've admitted that smaller providers were opposed, and the large companies were opposed. Those are the 3 most affected groups. Did you 'extensively' consult with yourself and the two others in the room when the idea came up on revenue gathering?

Good grief.

Memo from DP to JA explaining what happened -

Well, I phoned several of the large companies, the executive team weren't available so I ended up speaking with Greg (the cleaner), John (1st day on job as office assistant), Tammy (a receptionist) and Karen (not sure what she did, but she had very strong views) -

When I started baffling them with numbers from our magic labour calculator that Grant Robertson lent me (the one that multiples benefits of a policy by ten-fold and never factors into account foreseeable or unforeseeable costs), the all just seemed to agree that it was a good idea

Apologies for the oops moment, but I'm sure when you take the podium, tilt your head, smile a lot and wave your hands about, you'll be able to not answer the questions that your pre-selected "journalists" will slowly pitch at you.....

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#2961785 1-Sep-2022 09:11

marmel: For me this just reinforces the notion that Labour are seriously short in any talent outside of the PM, Grant Robertson and Mr Fixit Finlayson. Not only that but ministers are also refusing to listen to expert advice, treasury warning them about the cost of living payment problems for example.

The issue here sounds like it was the opposite, senior people at IRD were apparently pushing for this change, so Labour listened to them. Who you would assume to be taxation experts and announced it without taking the time to explain the issue to the wider public and why the change would make sense, who it would affect etc.

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#2961873 1-Sep-2022 12:11

Varkk:

The issue here sounds like it was the opposite, senior people at IRD were apparently pushing for this change, so Labour listened to them. Who you would assume to be taxation experts and announced it without taking the time to explain the issue to the wider public and why the change would make sense, who it would affect etc.

Not sure how you could have come to that conclusion. The Labour party has pretty much-ignored advice by treasury and the supposed experts, for 5 years. Largely, that has worked out exactly as well as you might have thought it would.

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#2961886 1-Sep-2022 12:44

Rikkitic:

Regretfully, I have to agree with you. It is like they are in self-destruct mode. Let's see, what else can we do to make sure people won't vote for us next time. I have had enough. I guess I will have to just vote for the legalise cannabis party again.

I am sure you'll disagree, but I see what is happening now, was a continuation on the shaky start they had in 2017, which Covid largely shielded them from having to deal with. It's hell of a shame that in the few years, they haven't really built the cohesion you'd expect from a team 5 years in, though I accept that would be more difficult during covid with everyone far apart.

Unfortunately, at this point I have zero confidence in their ability to execute the healthcare reforms, the mental health revamp, 3 waters, or the university consolidation.

One of the few things I thought they could potentially do better than National, was the revamp of Mental Health, but my sister who works in that area says things are 10x worse than they were 5 years ago, which of course is significantly impacted by Covid, and so not all Labours fault. Having said that, the messaging about the methods to revamp are incoherent, and there is no clear plan. Someone will announce something, but it will have a bunch of negative consequences. Right now, the biggest thing that needs to happen is more resources (people primarily) need to be made available.

Like in general medicine, the government has let lots of peoples visas expire, forcing them to leave, all the while trying to (barely) recruit from overseas, which will take 18 months before the impact of that is felt.

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#2962369 2-Sep-2022 15:04

Man, Hooten stuck the boot into Labour pretty good in his latest column. Whilst no-one would argue he leans toward Blue rather than Red, it's pretty hard to argue the stats in wage growth, and failure of many of it's policies, even ones as innocuous as the school fee removal ones. I wasn't aware that the Get Wellington Moving program had been allocated *another* 120M for yet another business plan! Add to that the failure to prevent kids sleeping in cars, and general homelessness and stats showing child poverty numbers hadn't improved in 3 years, and most child agencies and child support agencies are reporting higher than ever demand for emergency poverty assistance.

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#2962372 2-Sep-2022 15:09

networkn:

Man, Hooten stuck the boot into Labour pretty good in his latest column. Whilst no-one would argue he leans toward Blue rather than Red, it's pretty hard to argue the stats in wage growth, and failure of many of it's policies, even ones as innocuous as the school fee removal ones. I wasn't aware that the Get Wellington Moving program had been allocated *another* 120M for yet another business plan! Add to that the failure to prevent kids sleeping in cars, and general homelessness and stats showing child poverty numbers hadn't improved in 3 years, and most child agencies and child support agencies are reporting higher than ever demand for emergency poverty assistance.

There was another good article on NZ Herald yesterday with 8 points about the current government which I thought were all very good, especially point 8 about Labour being too reliant on PR & spin. Chickens are starting to come home to roost, failures are failures and you can't hide forever.

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#2962406 2-Sep-2022 15:52

Still waiting for something better.

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#2962411 2-Sep-2022 15:59

Rikkitic:

Still waiting for something better.

I have a tube of toothpaste in my top drawer I think could have handled some of these things better :)

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#2962415 2-Sep-2022 16:13

networkn:

Rikkitic:

Still waiting for something better.

I have a tube of toothpaste in my top drawer I think could have handled some of these things better :)

Maybe it should run for office.

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#2963345 5-Sep-2022 09:41

I am of the belief that the Central or Local Government should step in and take over the Auckland Showgrounds.

We have no other suitable site to run many of the events that are hosted there, and the fact it's closed ongoing has been very disruptive. I understand the current landlord expects a reasonable return on it's investment, but such an important peice of land with no alternative shouldn't be able to be held to ransom. I am entirely sure what a 'good' solution looks like, but I know what's happening now doesn't seem productive.

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