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  #2768724 30-Aug-2021 11:39
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not without collateral damage. family of 9 also killed i understand. taliban not happy.




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  #2769023 30-Aug-2021 21:46
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Taliban and their newly owned (American) weapons

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58356045

 

 


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  #2769100 31-Aug-2021 05:40
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/30/afghanistan-us-corruption-taliban

 

"One reason the Afghan military collapsed so quickly was because, in part, it did not actually exist."




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  #2769126 31-Aug-2021 09:04
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Batman:

 

Taliban and their newly owned (American) weapons

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58356045

 

 

 

 

Russian, Brazilian, Swiss, etc. as well

 

The BBC article says the Taliban "confiscated" the aircraft etc.  I expect the Taliban presume that it's property of Afghanistan over which they claim to be the legitimate government.  Maybe they'll ask for planes and choppers used by some to flee to Uzbekistan etc, to be returned.  

 

 


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  #2769378 31-Aug-2021 15:18
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If they were smart they'd rig them machines with remote controls

 

(Presumably Taliban also smart enough to bug sweep before using)

 

But if they were smart they'd have taken them back lol


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  #2769483 31-Aug-2021 19:03
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The Humvee's that USA left behind probably use 3-4 times the fuel of the usual Taliban Hilux.
So they are going to need a lot of aid money from USA to compensate them for the running costs :-)

 

Russia, China, Iran, Pakistan, so many backers owed a favor.

 

I guess Pakistan will be keeping an eye out in case their friends come to visit, 
now they have time on their hands, and new toys to show off ? 
Administering the Tribal areas could get tricky.

 

Problem is the Economy, Afghanistan has lived on aid.
Taliban fighters have been able to live off the land as it were, bounties from neighboring nations, a bit of enterprise on the side.
Now they will want a proper regular pay packet for their fighting skills and reward for their sacrifices.
 
Seeing they are not going to heaven anytime soon now, its livin the life now thats tricky.
There might be some fragmentation, as some might want to setup as warlords and taking what they need/deserve.

 

ISIS etc may also have an attraction for the devout if Taliban in new kinder form is not what they signed up for.
I remember the our NZ Jihardi's big complaint was Slaves were in so much demand he could not afford one.
That might guide Taliban to shift course to regain the high ground re religious purity and we are back 25 Years. 


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  #2769796 1-Sep-2021 11:54
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Batman:

 

If they were smart they'd rig them machines with remote controls

 

(Presumably Taliban also smart enough to bug sweep before using)

 

But if they were smart they'd have taken them back lol

 

 

I read in an Indian newspaper that US troops had "disabled" planes and choppers etc before leaving them behind. The article was remarkably specific - that they'd disabled 73 no more no less. I guess it wouldn't be too hard to achieve, but no idea if it's true - other media don't seem to have picked up on it.

 

Found the link:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/world/story/us-troops-disabled-aircraft-weapons-systems-before-leaving-kabul-airport-1847349-2021-08-31

 

 


 
 
 

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  #2770334 2-Sep-2021 08:17
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I heard on the radio that they'd smashed in the windscreens and control panels on helicopters that they had to leave behind. But I suppose the Taliban could use them for spare parts and maybe cobble together a few working ones.


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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/26/us-officials-provided-taliban-with-names-of-americans-afghan-allies-to-evacuate-506957

 

“Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,”...

 

"There have been occasions when our military has contacted their military counterparts in the Taliban and said this, for example, this bus is coming through with X number of people on it, made up of the following group of people. We want you to let that bus or that group through," he said. "So, yes there have been occasions like that. To the best of my knowledge, in those cases, the bulk of that has occurred and they have been let through.

 

"I can't tell you with any certitude that there's actually been a list of names," he added. "There may have been. But I know of no circumstance. It doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, that here's the names of 12 people, they're coming, let them through. It could very well have happened."


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  #2770748 2-Sep-2021 18:53
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MurrayM: I heard on the radio that they'd smashed in the windscreens and control panels on helicopters that they had to leave behind.

I expected these to be American military planes. Looking at this video 0:53 it appears many choppers and planes destroyed have Afghaninstan National Army colours:

You can see a few small planes with "sludge" painted on the side. Presumably some gunk fed into various systems.

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  #2770760 2-Sep-2021 19:10
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I'm assuming that red/green triangle is Afghan Army.

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China’s Tang Dynasty and Afghanistan, the Graveyard of Empires
The rise and fall of the Tang Dynasty points to the crucial strategic significance of the region today known as Afghanistan.
https://thediplomat.com/2021/08/chinas-tang-dynasty-and-afghanistan-the-graveyard-of-empires/

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After the Tang conquered the Western Turks in 659, the Turkic king of Tokharistan became its vassal. As a result, the land of modern-day Afghanistan became part of the territory of Tang China.
""

 

Taliban might find China wants to be more cozy with them than they expected, the next Tibet , and South China Sea ? 
It was all ours originally, you are just looking after it for us.

 

A different kind of open and inclusive. 


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  #2774186 8-Sep-2021 08:19
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The Taliban have announced the new government.

 

The head of the government is on a UN blacklist and the interior minister is the feared FBI-wanted leader of the Haqqani militant group, Sirajuddin Haqqani. They stated earlier that the government was going to be inclusive but every member is an established Taliban leader.

 

What could possibly go wrong?


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How many members announced? The list I saw on TV had only around 6-8 members. Presumably there's a range of other ministries and functions to be named later. Yes, very narrow representation so far.


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  #2774325 8-Sep-2021 12:03
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gzt: How many members announced? The list I saw on TV had only around 6-8 members. Presumably there's a range of other ministries and functions to be named later. Yes, very narrow representation so far.

 


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