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kingdragonfly

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#304181 11-Apr-2023 15:38

Another mass shooting in the United States.

If you go by a conservative definition, which means 4 people killed, that's about monthly.

Note that in 2012 the FBI used to define "mass shootings" when 3 people are killed. But now it seems like a the higher number of 4 people killed is more popular.

Today's attack was in a bank, where five were killed. A police officer was shot in the head, plus 9 others were injured, so the kill number may increase.

It goes without saying it was an assault weapon.

In a case of instant karma, one of the Kentucky friends was killed.

Kentucky news, ABC: Bill to make Ky. a ‘Second Amendment sanctuary’ becomes law

A bill to make Kentucky a “Second Amendment sanctuary” is now law after Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear neither signed nor vetoed the legislation passed by the General Assembly.

House Bill 153, which cleared both the House and Senate, prohibits state and local law enforcement agencies from enforcing a federal gun ban in the state.

The bill passed the House by a 78-19 vote and the Senate by a 27-9 vote. It applies to any federal laws or regulations enacted on guns, ammunition and accessories since Jan. 1, 2021.

Beshear neither signed nor vetoed the legislation, which sent the bill straight to Secretary of State Michael Adams’ desk. It became law Tuesday.

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#3061546 11-Apr-2023 15:58

Note that in Kentucky there's been strong opposition to criminal background check of gun buyers.

Specifically previous to the law passing, Kentucky was already non-contact state for the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (“NICS”) database; The dealer had to contact the FBI directly. private sellers (sellers who are not licensed dealers) don't even have to do that.

If I'm reading the law just passed, all may ignore that criminal check entirely, without risk of prosecution.

I'm too jaded to expect the governor to reflect on having at the minimum a criminal background checks.

CBS News: Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear says friend was killed in Louisville mass shooting

..."This is awful," Beshear said at the news conference. "I have a very close friend that didn't make it today, and I have another close friend that didn't either and one who's at the hospital that I hope is going to make it through."

Beshear later said during another press conference Monday afternoon that he had been misinformed and one of the friends he thought had died was OK.

[A person who was mis-identified by the police as dead] was a friend of both Beshear and Louisville Mayor Craig Greenberg.

"When we talk about praying, I hope people will for those that we are hoping can make it through the surgeries that they are going through.

And then we've got to do what we have done these last three years after everything, we've got to wrap our arms around these families,

Our bodies and our minds are not meant to go through these types of tragedies."
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#3061558 11-Apr-2023 16:20

I am so utterly depressed and revolted by the ludicrous situation regarding guns in America that I have withdrawn from commenting on it. There literally are no words for it.

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#3061646 11-Apr-2023 20:11

Rikkitic:

I am so utterly depressed and revolted by the ludicrous situation regarding guns in America that I have withdrawn from commenting on it. There literally are no words for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuIxIJBfCY

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#3061648 11-Apr-2023 20:27

sir1963:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuIxIJBfCY

I have zero patience with people like that. He is either an unforgiveable opportunist building a political career on the bodies of murdered children, or the dumbest creature to walk the earth on two legs since the dinosaurs. Either way, he belongs in an alternate universe where people that wilfully ignorant are made to spend their entire existence cleaning out sewers with their bare hands. Shit belongs with shit.

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#3061659 11-Apr-2023 21:47

Rikkitic:

sir1963:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuIxIJBfCY

I have zero patience with people like that. He is either an unforgiveable opportunist building a political career on the bodies of murdered children, or the dumbest creature to walk the earth on two legs since the dinosaurs. Either way, he belongs in an alternate universe where people that wilfully ignorant are made to spend their entire existence cleaning out sewers with their bare hands. Shit belongs with shit.

Speaking of Jon Stewart - he had a really good segment on The Daily Show from John Oliver. This was 10(!) years ago now, but is still 100% relevant today.

As to my personal opinion on the gun situation - I find it ridiculous, appalling and depressing. Politicians who could make the changes to stop this endless carnage happening are too scared of being voted out, so they buckle to the will of the very few hardout gun owners who (somehow) think more guns make everyone safer (as shown in this video). That Philip bloke - also in this video - embodies a lot of what's wrong with the pro-gun crowd in America. John Oliver gets him eating out of the palm of his hand with very little difficulty.

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#3061681 11-Apr-2023 23:00

Sometimes I think (?) Joe Biden should just address the nation, and say..

"I'm sorry for these poor victims, but you, the public, voted out any plausible gun control.
These shootings are on you, you deal with it.
I pray your family is not next"

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#3061692 11-Apr-2023 23:51

He would lose the next election, and the gun lobby would lose their s--t (the latter of which, I would love to see).

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#3062017 12-Apr-2023 21:16

Shockingly the Kentucky governor changed his mind on gun control.

It includes making an state executive order that overrides a recently passed state pro-gun law. That state law effectively stopped co-operating with the FBI on any present or future federal gun law. It specifically stopped the very minimal Kentucky gun purchaser's criminal background checks that were in place (only dealers, not on private sales).

Note he is a democrat, so I was disappointed he let the original law go in effect.

Reuters: Kentucky, Tennessee leaders call for tighter gun control after mass shootings

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#3063178 13-Apr-2023 11:41

Prepare for incoming nutjobbery.

An initial law enforcement statement after the Tennessee school shooting mentioned recovery of a 'manifesto'. That statement was apparently incorrect. More like a series of journals and rants and according to the local lead investigating sheriff: it does not appear the shooter wrote of any particular agenda regarding politics or to target a specific person or religion.

Trump Jr has more or less claimed the school was targeted for a specific reason. Trump Sr has alluded to trans drugs. In other parts a 'release the manifesto' conspiracy is getting started.

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#3063275 13-Apr-2023 16:06

gzt:

Trump Sr has alluded to trans drugs.

Trump Sr takes girl drugs for hair loss. They also cause dementia and erratic behaviour. One unsubstantiated rumour deserves another.

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#3063311 13-Apr-2023 18:35

kingdragonfly: Another mass shooting in the United States.

If you go by a conservative definition, which means 4 people killed, that's about monthly.

Note that in 2012 the FBI used to define "mass shootings" when 3 people are killed. But now it seems like a the higher number of 4 people killed is more popular.

It's not monthly, the US averages more than one mass shooting per day.

But the Republicans don't have time to address this, they're busy introducing endless bills to deal with critical issues like the approximately zero cases of problems with trans girls playing school sports.

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#3068273 26-Apr-2023 22:51

US annual gun deaths are around 45,000.

Ukraine is currently taking around 100-200 casualties a day in the fighting, but casualties include both dead and wounded, not just deaths.

So the US has roughly the same amount of daily gun deaths as an active war zone.

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#3072055 3-May-2023 22:53

Comedian Trolls NRA Convention AGAIN

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#3073363 7-May-2023 13:09

Outlet mall in Allen, Texas. Unknown number of dead including children. Nine in hospital. Shooter in tactical gear, dead.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/us/live-news/allen-texas-mall-shooting-05-06-23/index.html

After the number of dead it only remains to know what the beef was, how many posts on Facebook, and how recently the weapons were legally purchased.

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#3073505 7-May-2023 20:42

Texas will be one of the last places to limit guns.
More guns are obviously the solution, there.
They have it just the way they want it, except for maybe more, more powerfull guns.

Try to tell them they are also responsible for the threat of well armed Mexican and South American Gangs that can challenge the authority of their Governments.
They probably just want to send them more guns too.

American guns are flooding into Mexico and wreaking havoc
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/06/american-guns-mexico-illegal-weapons

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