Is America coming apart?

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#311571 27-Jan-2024 14:33

The Supreme Court has ordered Texas to remove its barbed wire barricades at the border. Governor Abbott is refusing. Trump is calling on Republican governors to send their National Guards to Texas. There are fresh calls for secession and renewed murmurs of civil war. How serious is this? Is America actually on the verge of breaking up?

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/columnists/tomlinson/article/texas-border-crisis-republicans-secession-18596321.php

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-independence-supreme-court-border-ruling-texit-1863124

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-urges-states-surge-national-guard-texas-abbott-standoff-with-biden-accelerates

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#3187417 27-Jan-2024 15:30

It took 400 years for the Roman Empire to fall. I think we are living through the fall of Western Civilisation in the same way.

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#3187423 27-Jan-2024 15:58

~~The Supreme Court has ordered Texas to remove its barbed wire barricades at the border. Governor Abbott is refusing.~~

The first post summary is incorrect and exactly reflects Governer Abbot's angle that he is a superhero facing down the federal government. Neither of those things are true.

In actual fact, the Supreme Court of the United States has clarified a specific point of law. That is, Federal employees are permitted to cut or clear razor wire barriers. The finding says nothing about the legality of Texas installing razor wire barriers. Texas can and will continue to do that.

The case arose because migrants are almost always already on U.S territory when facing these barriers. Federal employees have a legal duty to determine the status of those people. Likewise when responding to an emergency, federal employees must have access. The ruling has clarified a point of law that federal employees may remove barriers when it is an impediment or danger to their work.

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#3187424 27-Jan-2024 15:59

Civilisation was vastly different in Roman times. It would take weeks for news to travel around the empire and each part of it was quite isolated from the others so disaffection in one area might not affect the others.

But now we have the internet and importantly social media where shouting loudly is the order of the day. And importantly because of the algorithms services use a person may only see information they agree with, never the opposing view so don't appreciate the other side of an argument or situation.

If Rome took 400 years. America may take 40. Unravelling it though will be very painful and not just for America.

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#3187426 27-Jan-2024 16:09

NBC covers most of the angles on the supreme court case and the finding:

NBC: The court on a 5-4 vote granted an emergency request filed by the Biden administration, which had argued that Texas was preventing agents from carrying out their duties.

The article includes mention of a case where Texas agents prevented federal border patrol access to a location relevant to a report of drowning. Three people died in the incident.

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#3187663 28-Jan-2024 12:08

Worth a listen.

Texas can NOT leave...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dhvry6E0jA