Is this the end of the NZ Green Party?

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#315597 29-Jul-2024 09:35

En-mass resignations and other issues internally:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/greens-pasifika-leadership-says-the-treatment-of-darleen-tana-was-the-last-straw-in-a-list-of-disgraceful-decisions-around-maori-and-pasifika-mps/Z2A57YBJT5B2HOMLMXSK64TJXQ/

They have a point about seemingly unequal treatment of the Julie Anne situation, IMO; but can the party actually survive and reunite after this?

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#3265765 29-Jul-2024 09:37

What is that rule about the answer to questions asked in headlines?

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#3265770 29-Jul-2024 09:56

Yes; am aware; and maybe I should have phrased my subject line differently.

This seems like it could be a serious issue, however, as it does heavily threaten the unity of the party; am interested to know what others think.

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#3265774 29-Jul-2024 10:17

I usually vote Green though I do not consider myself a supporter. I think you are overstating the issue here by a very large amount. I think there have been three resignations in the pacifica community leadership, significant but hardly what I would term 'mass'. Proclaiming the end of the Green party is also more than a little hyperbolic. Are you perhaps succumbing to a case of wishful thinking?

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#3265775 29-Jul-2024 10:20

En-mass resignations

Last time I heard - three people resigned. That is not an en-mass resignation.

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#3265781 29-Jul-2024 10:29

Is this the end of the NZ Green Party?

No, not at all.

The Greens pasifika leadership letter in the NZ Herald does indicate a serious problem has occurred. The question now is can that be repaired.

I have not noticed any public statements from Marama Davidson on this issue. Marama Davidson is mostly away on medical leave I think and might not have had much involvement. That could be a factor in this getting out of hand.

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#3265790 29-Jul-2024 11:21

It's clearly an issue that needs to be worked through sensitively.

I get the feeling that leadership were somewhat blindsided with it. Bearing in mind that as the white guy I have to give people space to feel however they want to feel, I think the fact that two Pasifika/Māori women were involved in serious issues is more coincidence than otherwise in an organisation that explicitly aims to assist both Pasifika/Māori people and women into senior positions. It's not like caucus consists of Elizabeth Kerekere, Darleen Tana, and twenty bald white business men in suits.

Likewise, I don't really agree with the calling out of Julie Anne Genter's discipline as preferential simply because she happens to be white. She got angry and yelled at another MP, in the house, where MPs yell at each other all the time. The only difference is that she walked over to yell right at him. In the reverse situation where a male MP stood over a female MP and yelled at her (van der Molen, IIRC) the outcome was the same, an official smackdown from the Speaker. And I think that was all that was required for a first offense although it could be argued that a man yelling at a woman could be more threatening than a woman yelling at a man.

That's quite different from either undermining your own colleagues or being tacitly complicit in migrant exploitation.

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#3265820 29-Jul-2024 12:33

The letter above raises issues related to the passing of Efeso Collins before going on to raise issues related to the treatment of Elizabeth Kerekere and Darleen Tana.

It is notable the three members chose resignation.

Imo this will cause the Green Party to better consider how Pasifika and Samoan people are represented in the party. That might include the appointment of an additional co-leader, and might include an assessment of how Davidson's absence contributed to the resignation outcome if at all and how that absence could have been better handled with some temporary or stand-in appointment.

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#3266169 30-Jul-2024 06:10

The greens are a circus and have been for some time. They have been a total shitshow for a while between the James Shaw mess and various misdemeanours of their MPs. Not withstanding that there’s a solid rump of around 7% of the population who would vote for the greens come what may.

It’s not the end of the party, they just aren’t a serious political movement at the moment. They’ll recover at some point and do something useful, until then they provide valuable entertainment.

ACT is much the same on the other end of the spectrum. They have gotten themselves organised at the moment but for years they were a circus and they’ll end up there again