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Firebirdnz
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  #3350651 6-Mar-2025 13:26
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Hey @catspyjamas. This is where some more user friendly information would have helped. Due to the declining nature and service requirements of DSL we get Chorus to aggregate these connections to MDR. The DSL handover was directly impacted by this item of planned work.

 

 

 

For general understanding Voyager peer with local peering exchanges in Sydney, Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. Within cities these are distributed over various PoPs and devices to add resilency to our peering. Where we do not have direct peering either to peering exchanges or with 3rd party networks (think Amazon, Facebook etc.) we use Global Gateway and Vocus NZ (now 2degrees) for IP Transit capacity. These are currently taken out of MDR and QST, once again on diverse edge routers. Our broadband services are aggregated into Christchurch, Wellington and Auckland, where handovers to the various providers are once again at diverse locations in order to minimise impact of any one maintenance. The principles of the engineering team, and by extension, the Voyager network, is diversity, redundancy, speed, and reliability. So in this instance it's disappointing for us as engineers to have customer impact outside the scope of what was expected. Learnings have been learned and will be integrated into future work. A good job for us is that no one notices. We also acknowledge that as we aren't one of the big players we have to differentiate ourselves in another way. For us we aim to do this through customer experience. We are very open to feedback and suggestions and definitely want to know your use cases so we can continue to improve things for you.

 

 




catspyjamas
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  #3350662 6-Mar-2025 13:57
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Firebirdnz:

 

Hey @catspyjamas. This is where some more user friendly information would have helped. Due to the declining nature and service requirements of DSL we get Chorus to aggregate these connections to MDR. The DSL handover was directly impacted by this item of planned work.

 

 

 

For general understanding Voyager peer with local peering exchanges in Sydney, Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. Within cities these are distributed over various PoPs and devices to add resilency to our peering. Where we do not have direct peering either to peering exchanges or with 3rd party networks (think Amazon, Facebook etc.) we use Global Gateway and Vocus NZ (now 2degrees) for IP Transit capacity. These are currently taken out of MDR and QST, once again on diverse edge routers. Our broadband services are aggregated into Christchurch, Wellington and Auckland, where handovers to the various providers are once again at diverse locations in order to minimise impact of any one maintenance. The principles of the engineering team, and by extension, the Voyager network, is diversity, redundancy, speed, and reliability. So in this instance it's disappointing for us as engineers to have customer impact outside the scope of what was expected. Learnings have been learned and will be integrated into future work. A good job for us is that no one notices. We also acknowledge that as we aren't one of the big players we have to differentiate ourselves in another way. For us we aim to do this through customer experience. We are very open to feedback and suggestions and definitely want to know your use cases so we can continue to improve things for you.

 

 

 

 

Thanks @Firebirdnz - I won't pretend I understood all of the technical stuff you've written here, but you've confirmed that my outage was indeed the Voyager maintenance. Good to know.

 

Can I ask then, can I expect internet outages again for the further five scheduled maintenance nights over the next two weeks? If so, since it appeared that I did not lose DSL - the DSL light remained on solid, it was just the internet light that was alternating between being off & blinking rapidly in an effort to connect - would these drops in my internet connection have any effect on DSLAM re-profiling? I don't understand what the DSLAM thing all means (I only know you get re-profiled by Chorus to lower speeds if you have too many dropped connections for whatever reason), but the DSL part of the term suggests it relates to DSL drop outs, which I don't think I had. Well if I did, it was before I went to my modem to investigate why everything suddenly had no internet connection.


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  #3350664 6-Mar-2025 14:10
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@catspyjamas I'm in a similar understanding to others here that profiling (DLM) is based on the sync rather than the PPP status. Pinging the expert @BMarquis to see if he can shed some light on the behaviour of DLM.




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  #3350714 6-Mar-2025 14:18
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Firebirdnz:

 

@catspyjamas I'm in a similar understanding to others here that profiling (DLM) is based on the sync rather than the PPP status. Pinging the expert @BMarquis to see if he can shed some light on the behaviour of DLM.

 

 

 

 

Thanks. I take it "sync" means DSL light & "PPP" refers to the internet light? (Sorry if a dumb question but I'm not a technical person). Would DSL drops be expected with the upcoming maintenance?


BMarquis
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  #3350715 6-Mar-2025 14:22
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Firebirdnz:

 

@catspyjamas I'm in a similar understanding to others here that profiling (DLM) is based on the sync rather than the PPP status. Pinging the expert @BMarquis to see if he can shed some light on the behaviour of DLM.

 



Dynamic Line Management (DLM) operates at the DSL layer, not Layer2/PPP/DHCP/Layer3+
DLM will change your profile to gain better stability, or speed, depending on the characteristics of the DSL synchronisation, loss of synchronisation, interference, cross-talk, etc.  PPP or upper layer drop outs wont trigger DLM to take action.

If DLM changes you to a stability profile due to DSL outages/issues, then stability returns and the line parameters allow it, you will eventually be moved back to a higher speed profile


catspyjamas
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  #3350717 6-Mar-2025 14:28
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Thanks @BMarquis. Learned some new things today. :)


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