Considering switching to Voyager due to routing to Asia

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jeeg

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#312060 12-Mar-2024 23:23

Hi, could someone please do me a favor and try tracert on the following addresses?

I've just switched over to Orcon a few months ago and have seen a massive degrade to routing to Japan which they aren't doing anything about. I'm on their gigabit fibre in Auckland area. Most of my internet content consumption are from Japan and Singapore so switching to Orcon was good for that direct access via Perth. I've been hearing Voyager did a mix of Vocus/Spark routing and was wondering if the link to Japan is any better.

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To Japan

Tracing route to jin115.com [147.92.146.242]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms unknown [10.0.1.1]
2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms default-rdns.vocus.co.nz [60.234.8.50]
3 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms default-rdns.vocus.co.nz [101.98.5.94]
4 2 ms 2 ms 5 ms default-rdns.vocus.co.nz [101.98.5.93]
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 27 ms 26 ms 27 ms 124.150.165.62
7 28 ms 28 ms 27 ms 124.150.165.2
8 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms as18407.nsw.ix.asn.au [218.100.52.44]
9 36 ms 38 ms 50 ms 45.64.201.2
10 58 ms 27 ms 27 ms ce-0-0-2-100.a00.sydnau05.au.bb.gin.ntt.net [202.68.65.32]
11 28 ms 31 ms 28 ms ae-5.r21.sydnau06.au.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.7.48]
12 194 ms 196 ms 194 ms ae-13.r32.tokyjp05.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.46]
13 200 ms 200 ms 199 ms ae-2.r00.tokyjp08.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.6.127]
14 194 ms 194 ms 195 ms ae-0.line-corp.tokyjp08.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [203.105.64.242]
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.

To Singapore

Tracing route to viewqwest.com [202.73.56.144]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms unknown [10.0.1.1]
2 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms default-rdns.vocus.co.nz [60.234.8.50]
3 1 ms 1 ms <1 ms as9790.bdr01.akl03.akl.nz.vocus.network [175.45.102.238]
4 1 ms * 1 ms be1000.bdr01.akl03.akl.nz.vocus.network [175.45.102.237]
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 117 ms 117 ms * be203.lsr01.dody.nsw.vocus.network [103.1.77.46]
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 116 ms 117 ms 116 ms be203.bdr02.sin01.sin.vocus.network [114.31.206.75]
10 116 ms 116 ms 116 ms 18106.sgw.equinix.com [27.111.228.6]
11 118 ms 118 ms 118 ms 132.147.112.106
12 117 ms 117 ms 117 ms 1net-vpn.vqbn.com [202.73.45.134]
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.

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#3205884 12-Mar-2024 23:44

Check out the Voyager Smokeping in my signature. That should give you a good idea of the latency, I can add an IP if you want too.

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#3205891 13-Mar-2024 00:35

Problem is those addresses are not pingable.

Got others you can ping? There is also a number of fibre cuts currently and comparing a whole lot of providers none are perfect currently.

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yitz

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#3205892 13-Mar-2024 01:05

That first IP/traceroute shows it is going through the DIA filter which has degraded performance in the past.

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#3205895 13-Mar-2024 05:34

First one takes exactly the same route once it leaves voyager

Tracing route to jin115.com [147.92.146.242]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 * 2 ms 2 ms lo-vprn-100.br1.mdr.vygr.net [114.23.3.255]
3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms ae-0-621.cr1.mdr.vygr.net [114.23.3.230]
4 584 ms 219 ms 219 ms et-0-0-1-0.core01.mdr.vygr.net [43.240.33.38]
5 1029 ms 662 ms 224 ms et-0-0-31-0.core01.qst.vygr.net [43.240.33.18]
6 1 ms 2 ms 2 ms et-0-0-0-0.edge02.qst.vygr.net [43.240.33.5]
7 37 ms 16 ms 30 ms 10.51.65.66
8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms default-rdns.vocus.co.nz [101.98.5.94]
9 4 ms 4 ms 11 ms default-rdns.vocus.co.nz [101.98.5.93]
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 28 ms 31 ms 28 ms 124.150.165.62
12 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms 124.150.165.2
13 29 ms 28 ms 28 ms as18407.nsw.ix.asn.au [218.100.52.44]
14 54 ms 33 ms 37 ms 45.64.201.2
15 28 ms 30 ms 28 ms ce-0-0-2-100.a00.sydnau05.au.bb.gin.ntt.net [202.68.65.32]
16 30 ms 31 ms 34 ms ae-5.r21.sydnau06.au.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.7.48]
17 141 ms 141 ms 140 ms ae-13.r32.tokyjp05.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.46]
18 142 ms 141 ms 141 ms ae-1.r02.tokyjp08.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.101]
19 158 ms 142 ms 142 ms ae-1.line-corp.tokyjp08.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [203.105.64.246]
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.

Second one is different

Tracing route to viewqwest.com [202.73.56.144]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms lo-vprn-100.br1.mdr.vygr.net [114.23.3.255]
3 2 ms 3 ms 2 ms ae-0-621.cr1.mdr.vygr.net [114.23.3.230]
4 15 ms 4 ms 2 ms ae9-143.akbr6.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.118.157]
5 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms ae7-2.akbr7.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.119.53]
6 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms et1-0-0.sgbr3.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.119.30]
7 32 ms 31 ms 31 ms 100ge0-79.core1.syd1.he.net [184.104.195.149]
8 77 ms 77 ms 77 ms 100ge0-32.core1.per1.he.net [184.105.65.223]
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 118 ms 171 ms 126 ms viewqwest-pte-ltd.port-channel2.switch2.sin1.he.net [27.50.33.94]
11 118 ms 118 ms 118 ms 132.147.112.106
12 117 ms 117 ms 118 ms 1net-vpn.vqbn.com [202.73.45.134]
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.

jeeg

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#3205995 13-Mar-2024 12:41

Thanks everyone for your replies

Jase2985:

First one takes exactly the same route once it leaves voyager

Tracing route to jin115.com [147.92.146.242]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 * 2 ms 2 ms lo-vprn-100.br1.mdr.vygr.net [114.23.3.255]
3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms ae-0-621.cr1.mdr.vygr.net [114.23.3.230]
4 584 ms 219 ms 219 ms et-0-0-1-0.core01.mdr.vygr.net [43.240.33.38]
5 1029 ms 662 ms 224 ms et-0-0-31-0.core01.qst.vygr.net [43.240.33.18]
6 1 ms 2 ms 2 ms et-0-0-0-0.edge02.qst.vygr.net [43.240.33.5]
7 37 ms 16 ms 30 ms 10.51.65.66
8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms default-rdns.vocus.co.nz [101.98.5.94]
9 4 ms 4 ms 11 ms default-rdns.vocus.co.nz [101.98.5.93]
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 28 ms 31 ms 28 ms 124.150.165.62
12 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms 124.150.165.2
13 29 ms 28 ms 28 ms as18407.nsw.ix.asn.au [218.100.52.44]
14 54 ms 33 ms 37 ms 45.64.201.2
15 28 ms 30 ms 28 ms ce-0-0-2-100.a00.sydnau05.au.bb.gin.ntt.net [202.68.65.32]
16 30 ms 31 ms 34 ms ae-5.r21.sydnau06.au.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.7.48]
17 141 ms 141 ms 140 ms ae-13.r32.tokyjp05.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.46]
18 142 ms 141 ms 141 ms ae-1.r02.tokyjp08.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.101]
19 158 ms 142 ms 142 ms ae-1.line-corp.tokyjp08.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [203.105.64.246]
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.

Is it the DIA filter in between the Sydney and Tokyo hop? I'm curious as to why the routing seems to be the same for Orcon at that point but only Orcon gets affected with the performance drop. That 140-150ms was the level of latency I had before when I just joined Orcon and the same I've had with Spark throughout the years. Its just crazy to have 200ms and being told theres nothing wrong with the network

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#3205998 13-Mar-2024 13:01

DIA filter is everything in between hop
8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms default-rdns.vocus.co.nz [101.98.5.94]
and where it makes it out onto the wider Internet again at hop
15 28 ms 30 ms 28 ms ce-0-0-2-100.a00.sydnau05.au.bb.gin.ntt.net [202.68.65.32]

Not sure why Voyager is routing their DIA filter traffic through to Vocus/2degrees but you can traceroute to an adjacent IP number to see it takes a different non-filtered route.

In the past social media and user generated content sites have had performance degradation due to filter capacity constraints when popular content is also being hosted at the same shared/virtual IP.
e.g. Spark and Blogspot/Google+ https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=119304

Beyond the filter hops your latency is also affected by upstream provider routes as you have noted Voyager also use Spark who have relationships with providers who use a more direct return submarine path between Japan and Sydney rather than via South East Asia or North America.

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#3206006 13-Mar-2024 13:52

For clarification, Voyager does not participate in the DIA filter - so there is no routing decisions made around the DIA requirements.

Voyager’s routing “decisions” are dynamic, based on a number of metrics such as shortest path etc.

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#3206011 13-Mar-2024 14:21

VygrNetworkMonkey: For clarification, Voyager does not participate in the DIA filter - so there is no routing decisions made around the DIA requirements.

Voyager’s routing “decisions” are dynamic, based on a number of metrics such as shortest path etc.

but 2dgrees/vocus do right? so if traffic routed via them would be passed through the DIA filter if the IP is on the DCEFS list.

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#3206012 13-Mar-2024 14:26

nztim:
VygrNetworkMonkey: For clarification, Voyager does not participate in the DIA filter - so there is no routing decisions made around the DIA requirements.

Voyager’s routing “decisions” are dynamic, based on a number of metrics such as shortest path etc.

but 2dgrees/vocus do right? so if traffic routed via them would be passed through the DIA filter if the IP is on the DCEFS list.

2Degrees are one of our international transit providers.
They do not filter any of our traffic, nor do any of our other transit/peering providers, therefore the DIA or DCEFS filters are not involved.

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#3206015 13-Mar-2024 14:57

VygrNetworkMonkey:
nztim:

VygrNetworkMonkey: For clarification, Voyager does not participate in the DIA filter - so there is no routing decisions made around the DIA requirements.

Voyager’s routing “decisions” are dynamic, based on a number of metrics such as shortest path etc.

but 2dgrees/vocus do right? so if traffic routed via them would be passed through the DIA filter if the IP is on the DCEFS list.

therefore the DIA or DCEFS filters are not involved.

Are you sure? 124.150.165.62 and 124.150.165.2 is Fastcom (so most likely DCEFS - at least all IPs that go via DCEFS for us route via those two IPs)

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#3206020 13-Mar-2024 15:31

danfaulknor:

Are you sure? 124.150.165.62 and 124.150.165.2 is Fastcom (so most likely DCEFS - at least all IPs that go via DCEFS for us route via those two IPs)

Now that you point that out, no, I'm not so sure 😂

I think I need to make a few calls!

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#3206054 13-Mar-2024 18:00

michaelmurfy:

Problem is those addresses are not pingable.

Got others you can ping? There is also a number of fibre cuts currently and comparing a whole lot of providers none are perfect currently.

I managed to get a static ip to SG.

Could anyone please test this? 202.83.99.90

Thanks everyone and much appreciated for your help

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#3206058 13-Mar-2024 18:04

VygrNetworkMonkey:

danfaulknor:

Are you sure? 124.150.165.62 and 124.150.165.2 is Fastcom (so most likely DCEFS - at least all IPs that go via DCEFS for us route via those two IPs)

Now that you point that out, no, I'm not so sure 😂

I think I need to make a few calls!

I am pretty sure anyone using Vocus Transit is subject to DCEFS

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#3206062 13-Mar-2024 18:09

Tracing route to fnet90-f99-access.vqbn.com.sg [202.83.99.90]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms lo-vprn-100.br1.mdr.vygr.net [114.23.3.255]
3 3 ms 2 ms 2 ms ae-0-621.cr1.mdr.vygr.net [114.23.3.230]
4 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms ae9-143.akbr6.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.118.157]
5 2 ms 40 ms 17 ms ae7-2.akbr7.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.119.53]
6 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms et1-0-0.sgbr3.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.119.30]
7 32 ms 32 ms 31 ms 100ge0-79.core1.syd1.he.net [184.104.195.149]
8 78 ms 77 ms 77 ms 100ge0-32.core1.per1.he.net [184.105.65.223]
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 118 ms 201 ms 123 ms viewqwest-pte-ltd.port-channel2.switch2.sin1.he.net [27.50.33.94]
11 118 ms 117 ms 118 ms 132.147.112.96
12 122 ms 121 ms 122 ms fnet90-f99-access.vqbn.com.sg [202.83.99.90]

jeeg

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#3206070 13-Mar-2024 18:18

Thanks everyone, this is great routing and I'm convinced to switch.

On that topic anyone got a referral code or promo code?

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