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kingdragonfly

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#312376 11-Apr-2024 12:26
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I got this weird email from BNZ, my previous home loan holder.

"We're updating the Home Loan Facility Master Agreement ('agreement')1 that forms part of the terms of your home loan facility (or facilities if you have more than one home loan facility). The new 2024 agreement will take effect from 1 May 2024.

Under the existing agreement, for most changes to the terms of a facility, we must give you at least 14 days' notice before the relevant change takes effect.

Under the new agreement, we still need to give you notice of a change to the terms of a facility, but notice may be given to you before, on, or after the day the relevant change takes effect.

We'll continue to comply with our legal obligations to give you notice, including under the Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Act 2003.

We've included the new clause wording below, which can be found in the new agreement:

4.2 We may also change the terms that apply to a facility (for example, by changing the terms of this agreement or a letter of advice) without having to get your further agreement. We will give you notice of the change (by confirmation or in any other way we are allowed to by law). Notice may be given to you before, on, or after the day the relevant change takes effect.

7.5 Unless the relevant letter of advice says otherwise, we can make any changes to a customer margin at any time. We will give you notice of any change to a customer margin before, on, or after the day the change takes effect.

Removal of redraw

In the existing agreement, under clauses 14.11 and 14.12, you may apply to redraw an amount under a facility and we'll approve or decline your application at our sole discretion.

Under the new agreement, you'll no longer be able to apply to redraw an amount under a facility.

We've removed references to 'redraw' and updated numbering in the agreement accordingly.
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I have no idea what "redraw" even means.

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dpf81nz
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  #3217052 11-Apr-2024 12:33
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redraw usually means that you can take money back out up to the current loan limit if available.  Sounds odd though, like perhaps they hadnt properly closed things off on their end and later realised (if its a previous provider.)




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  #3217057 11-Apr-2024 12:41
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Yeah, I got the same message and the bit about notifying you of a change after the fact did make my eyebrows shoot up a bit. New Zealand has unfair contract terms rules, and the Commerce Commission even has specific guide about contract variations that perhaps don't seem entirely consistent with this

 

 


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  #3217079 11-Apr-2024 13:34
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dpf81nz:

 

redraw usually means that you can take money back out up to the current loan limit if available.  

 

 

I received the same email and I feel like the inability to redraw is a very significant change. One of the main advantages of being ahead on your mortgage payments is that you can use it as a buffer if you experience a financial shock like losing your job. It would appear that this is no longer the case?

 

I wonder if the other banks will follow suit. 




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  #3217083 11-Apr-2024 13:45
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alasta:

 

I received the same email and I feel like the inability to redraw is a very significant change. One of the main advantages of being ahead on your mortgage payments is that you can use it as a buffer if you experience a financial shock like losing your job. It would appear that this is no longer the case?

 

I wonder if the other banks will follow suit. 

 

 

Its almost like the banks know that the fans about to get hit...





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  #3217170 11-Apr-2024 18:58
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richms:

 

alasta:

 

I received the same email and I feel like the inability to redraw is a very significant change. One of the main advantages of being ahead on your mortgage payments is that you can use it as a buffer if you experience a financial shock like losing your job. It would appear that this is no longer the case?

 

I wonder if the other banks will follow suit. 

 

 

Its almost like the banks know that the fans about to get hit...

 

 

Very few banks have any fans - so they’re probably not too worried about hitting them.





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  #3217204 11-Apr-2024 22:04
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alasta:

 

dpf81nz:

 

redraw usually means that you can take money back out up to the current loan limit if available.  

 

 

I received the same email and I feel like the inability to redraw is a very significant change. One of the main advantages of being ahead on your mortgage payments is that you can use it as a buffer if you experience a financial shock like losing your job. It would appear that this is no longer the case?

 

I wonder if the other banks will follow suit. 

 

 

This is precisely the reason why when I received an inheritance, rather than paying down my loan in a lump sum, I put the cash in my savings account, split the loan and then fully offset the savings account against a floating portion of my loan. This saves me a significant amount in mortgage interest costs but leaves me free to draw out and repay any amount of savings any time I like with no cost involved and no having to ask permission. According to my banking app, I've saved $46k in interest costs in just a few years, while I also pay down the principal with my salary as fast as possible. You do have to be disciplined though - there's no dipping into those savings for trivial purchases, as any savings spent are effectively charged at the floating interest rate. Having said that, it is still a lot cheaper than say financing a car at 12% + application fees etc.

 

Paying lump sums onto a fixed loan and then requesting a redraw usually comes with documentation costs and you're at the bank's mercy to say yes or no.

 

I also received the BNZ letter today but it doesn't affect offsetting arrangements. I agree that the changing the terms to say they can change terms whenever they want and notify you after the fact seems a crappy way to do business.


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