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  #804586 23-Apr-2013 22:14
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jarledb: I am not sure why people don't see the benefit of DAB. I think a lot of it has to do with some bad examples and also FUD from the likes of the mobile network industry.

DAB+ has a modern codec (AAC+ equivalent), and if you have at least 96 Kbit/s bandwidth you achieve FM-quality.

The true strength of DAB is that you can use single frequency networks, that things like reflections of signals on mountain walls/city walls actually strengthens the signal instead of weakening it, etc.

The problem it causes for the industry is that suddenly you can have a situation where you and your competitors all have equal signal strength and you have to compete on something other than just being heard (technically).

My experience with DAB here in Norway has been great. I can drive around in Norway without losing stations, without the tuner skipping between several transmitters and without the noise interference which is so typical for FM.

I am a sound engineer and worked 10 years in radio, and several FM transmitters that I was responsible for. What I wouldnt't have given for a network that would have given us good signal all over our county.

There are lots of ways to make sound on DAB bad, but most of the ways also make FM sound bad today, such as over compression to sound the loudest. On FM that is also done to extend coverage areas, because the noise is not as noticeable when you are compressing your sound signal heavily. With DAB there is no reason to do that.

Here in Norway there is actually an agreement between the stations to follow the same kind of loudness on DAB, so that you have the same base signal (in loudness) on all stations. And that is for both commercial and state channels.

Jarle, I remember reading on another thread that you are emigrating from Norway to NZ.  Lack of DAB is just one thing you will need to get used to.  Another is the restrictive caps on our broadband.  But there are many things we take for granted in NZ, that are not available in Europe, like beaches that are practically empty, even in summer.  You take the good with the bad in any country, so I hope you like NZ when you get here.  We have relatives in Denmark, so I have travelled all around Scandinavia, including parts of Norway.  I think it is one of the most beautiful parts of Europe, so I think you are lucky to come from one beautiful country to another.  Best Wishes for your move!







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  #804594 23-Apr-2013 22:28
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Hi Grant, thank you. I don't know if you got to experience the scandinavian cultures, but to me at least it seems like New Zealand and Norway are more culturally alike than say Norway and Sweden. Maybe because both are fairly small populations.

I know Norwegians that have stayed in New Zealand for a couple of years to experience something different. Going as far away from Norway as they could. They were utterly disappointed, because it felt like being home ;)

There are many things I am sure I will have to get used to. Much more expensive mobile subscriptions - especially if you use a lot of data (which I do). Broadband connections that are limited by capacity out of the country and datacaps as you mention.

Another thing that strikes me different about New Zealand is that you are allowed to take your car so many places and the fairly big malls you have even in smaller towns/cities.

I have always thought Norway was beautiful and that is something we brag about, but on my trips around the northern island I have been struck by how beautiful New Zealand is, and have to admit defeat - and I know I have still to experience the beauty of the south island.

When it comes to DAB, the same arguments against it that have come up in this thread are also voiced here in Norway. But I have noticed a shift in peoples attitude as they come to experience how nice DAB actually can be.

Here in Norway we would not be able to cover the land with satellite radio, both because of deep valleys but also because of the way the satellites are positioned vs the geographical area we have on earth.

I have yet to see any other good solutions to digitizing radio for mobile consumption. Streaming isnt and won't be anytime soon. There will always be a price, and there are clear choking points if you look at 3G networks - they would get seriously congested if everyone started to stream radio via their mobile.

In the US they have chosen to digitize radio with digital on top of FM, which doesn't solve the problem with frequency spectrum or better coverage. But it maintaince the status quo of power between those that have well positioned transmitters and those that don't.

Here in Norway we have used up our FM frequency spectrum, and we use a huge amount of FM transmitters to cover the said valleys. DAB will get more radio (a lot more channels) out to more people that ever before, with better quality than FM and at a lower price for the broadcasters. To me thats a win for everyone.
 




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A pointless observation ..... RNZI uses DRM.



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  #805471 25-Apr-2013 15:10
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jarledb: 
Here in Norway we have used up our FM frequency spectrum, and we use a huge amount of FM transmitters to cover the said valleys. DAB will get more radio (a lot more channels) out to more people that ever before, with better quality than FM and at a lower price for the broadcasters. To me thats a win for everyone.
 


I don't think that the average Kiwi radio listener would care the slightest bit about digital radio due to the type of programming offered here. Concert FM may be the only one to benefit from it..




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  #805641 25-Apr-2013 22:33
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Well, there are some reasons to want DAB: It would give more channels. And more content is usually what people care about, I am guessing that is the way with the analog to digital switch with TV as well.

But for the commercial radio stations its easy to get stuck in the old ways and think that its not good for us that we all have the same quality all over. Good FM coverage is an advantage today for the stations that have it, they would loose the coverage advantage with DAB.





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