Standard bluray - any point watching in 4k mode?

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AklBen

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#2993024 7-Nov-2022 13:27

Either way, I'd say most people would be better off sacrificing audio quality for video quality (or at least making sure you know what is doing your upscaling, and testing different options).

Yes and most people (probably about 90% of them) would be watching 4K content on Netflix or Disney+ (or others) via their TV's speakers - so most people probably aren't aware of different audio formats or quality unless they've got the gear to play it.

In my case (backstory above) when I get some UHD Blurays I will connect my Xbox directly to the TV and be happy with standard Dolby 5.1.

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#2993032 7-Nov-2022 13:44

Okie dokie. You initially asked for feedback, so I guess my feedback boils down to: something is gonna be inventing 75% of the pixels you're watching. The XBox, or the TV may do a better job of that, so you should try both.

Have fun on your AV adventure!

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#2993033 7-Nov-2022 13:52

gehenna:

Feels to me like the person who is arguing the physical display is the definition of the resolution of content you're watching, is the one arguing the semantics. The rest of the world is pretty comfortable saying if you're not watching native 4k on a 4k display, you're not watching 4k.

exactly the same as on a PC, 4k monitor, you can change the resolution to 1920x1080, its then 1920x1080 its not 4k.

AklBen

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#2993036 7-Nov-2022 14:03

mkissin:

Okie dokie. You initially asked for feedback, so I guess my feedback boils down to: something is gonna be inventing 75% of the pixels you're watching. The XBox, or the TV may do a better job of that, so you should try both.

Have fun on your AV adventure!

Thanks. Just testing this who's upscaling what logic....

If the AV receiver has a max output of 1080p then anything going through it must be upscaled at the end point?

If the xbox is plugged directly into the TV, xbox is set to 1080p resolution and is playing any format (HD or otherwise) then the TV is upscaling to match the TV's resolution (whatever that may be)?

If the xbox is plugged directly into the TV, xbox is set to 4k resolution and is playing 4k content then the TV is not doing any upscaling at all?

The only test about what does better upscaling would be to limit a directly connected xbox into the TV at 1080p resolution and see what the TV does with that signal - but that would be silly - I'd just set the resolution of the xbox to 4k?

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#2993038 7-Nov-2022 14:16

Gosh, I watched a DVD on my C1 OLED last night. Didn’t realise it was 4K!

No, if the source isn’t 4K then you aren’t seeing 4K. End of story.

mkissin

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#2993042 7-Nov-2022 14:26

AklBen:

Thanks. Just testing this who's upscaling what logic....

If the AV receiver has a max output of 1080p then anything going through it must be upscaled at the end point?

If the xbox is plugged directly into the TV, xbox is set to 1080p resolution and is playing any format (HD or otherwise) then the TV is upscaling to match the TV's resolution (whatever that may be)?

If the xbox is plugged directly into the TV, xbox is set to 4k resolution and is playing 4k content then the TV is not doing any upscaling at all?

The only test about what does better upscaling would be to limit a directly connected xbox into the TV at 1080p resolution and see what the TV does with that signal - but that would be silly - I'd just set the resolution of the xbox to 4k?

In one of those scenarios your XBox is upscaling but you can see native 4K content, and in the other you're getting your lossless audio but your TV is upscaling. With the same source material, they will show two different pictures and you may prefer one or the other.

I was really just trying to be helpful with some options, so I'm not sure what all the agro about final pixels vs source material is.

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#2993043 7-Nov-2022 14:29

Changeover:

Gosh, I watched a DVD on my C1 OLED last night. Didn’t realise it was 4K!

Correct, but I will guarantee you it looked better than if you were watching it on a 15 year old 720P panel , even though the source is 576p...

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AklBen

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#2993108 7-Nov-2022 15:44

mkissin: I was really just trying to be helpful with some options, so I'm not sure what all the agro about final pixels vs source material is.

Maybe I should've said I'm not challenging you - I'm asking so I can understand. I'm not being agro, there was no point where I was angry at your responses...

mkissin

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#2993174 7-Nov-2022 16:11

AklBen:

Maybe I should've said I'm not challenging you - I'm asking so I can understand. I'm not being agro, there was no point where I was angry at your responses...

It was more of a general comment. Some people seem very upset at the distinction I'm making between displayed pixels vs source material.

Regardless of what comes in the HDMI port, the TV is going to show you 4K worth of pixels. If the source is only 2K worth then the additional pixels have to come from somewhere, and different processors have different ways of generating them.

At any rate, in AV stuff everything is a disaster and nothing matters. Try stuff, see what looks/sounds best to you and go with that. Sometimes the deciding factor is what your family members will put up with!

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#2993204 7-Nov-2022 17:25

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No, if the source isn’t 4K then you aren’t seeing 4K. End of story.

if you are watching a 4K Blu ray you are probably not watching 4K

end of story

https://www.engadget.com/2019-06-19-upscaled-uhd-4k-digital-intermediate-explainer.html

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#2993205 7-Nov-2022 17:25

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if you have a 4K tv you are watching it in 4K

Ahh, no you're not. The source image will be scaled to the panel resolution to display, but scaling doesn't magically increase the defination of the original picture (despite what marketing would have you believe) to 4K.

you guys have no idea what you're talking about.

https://www.digiraw.com/DVD-4K-Bluray-ripping-service/4K-UHD-ripping-service/the-real-or-fake-4K-list/

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#2993210 7-Nov-2022 17:33

AklBen:

Thanks. Just testing this who's upscaling what logic....

If the AV receiver has a max output of 1080p then anything going through it must be upscaled at the end point?

If the xbox is plugged directly into the TV, xbox is set to 1080p resolution and is playing any format (HD or otherwise) then the TV is upscaling to match the TV's resolution (whatever that may be)?

If the xbox is plugged directly into the TV, xbox is set to 4k resolution and is playing 4k content then the TV is not doing any upscaling at all?

The only test about what does better upscaling would be to limit a directly connected xbox into the TV at 1080p resolution and see what the TV does with that signal - but that would be silly - I'd just set the resolution of the xbox to 4k?

that's right.

the only 4K you get is if the movie is shot in 4k. edited in 4K. CGI in 4K. rendered in 4K. saved in 4K. sent as 4K to a 4K TV without overscan. then you are watching 4k

if you send something in 1080p the TV will upscale to 4K

if you watch a 4K blu ray, unless you researched the entire production of the disk you have no idea if the entire line was 4K - there are plenty of blu rays that have had source upscaled to 4K or somewhere along the production line was not done in 4K.

But i will take it one step further. https://www.rocketstock.com/blog/4k-camera-isnt-really-4k/

even if you have a 4K camera the pixels are not 4K - generally you have a set of 4 pixels 2 green 1 red 1 blue - if your red flower is picked up on the blue and green pixels you won't be seeing the flower in those pixels.

and i wonder if anyone of these guys know the actual pixel array structure of their TV.

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#2993255 7-Nov-2022 18:45

@AklBen just ignore all the bickering. Try the different ways you have suggested of connecting everything and go with the one that looks and sounds best to you. You're the one watching it after all. There's no right or wrong way of doing it, but each way will have compromises.

AklBen

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#2993338 8-Nov-2022 08:18

RunningMan:

@AklBen just ignore all the bickering. Try the different ways you have suggested of connecting everything and go with the one that looks and sounds best to you. You're the one watching it after all. There's no right or wrong way of doing it, but each way will have compromises.

hehe that's what I've done. Non 4K Blurays on the Xbox via the receiver at max 1080p resolution (output) in order to get the best sound. Everything else (streaming etc.) via apps on TV in full glorious UHD.

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#2993343 8-Nov-2022 08:38

reven:

gehenna:

Feels to me like the person who is arguing the physical display is the definition of the resolution of content you're watching, is the one arguing the semantics. The rest of the world is pretty comfortable saying if you're not watching native 4k on a 4k display, you're not watching 4k.

exactly the same as on a PC, 4k monitor, you can change the resolution to 1920x1080, its then 1920x1080 its not 4k.

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