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I've had the Sony X90J for about a week now, and given that there seems to be a lot of interest in TVs these days, I figured I'd share some thoughts. Apologies for a long post.

 

 

TLDR: it's a dud, choose something else

 

 

Quick notes:

 

1) I'm usually very critical of the stuff I buy

 

2) I haven't used a Sony TV since Trinitron back in early 2000's

 

3) This is my first experience with Android TV

 

 

With this out of the way, here goes.

 

 

Unboxing and assembly. I have never had an assembly instruction manual make me feel dumb before, so this was a first for me. I tried following the instructions, but I ended up doing EVERYTHING wrong. Apparently you're supposed to lift the box off the TV, not lift the TV from the box. Legs assembly works opposite to what's on the picture which will want you believe it requires 2 people and a nuclear-fuel-handling level of process complexity. It is in fact super simple - click them in place, and you're done. Just don't try to understand the damn manual.

 

 

Setting up Android. The good news is that there's an easy way to set up your Google account on the TV by using a QR code and the Google Home app. The bad news is that it didn't work - I kept getting "Your TV could not be verified" error on the app, so I ended up entering username/password the old-fashioned way - with onscreen keyboard and the d-pad on the remote

 

 

Using Android. It's been a week and I still don't know what's the advantage of having my Google account on my TV. Also, it's not quite right to call this "Android TV". It's more of a TV with Android. It appears to be casually switching between pure TV firmware and Android; but rather than creating a seamless experience is feels kind of schizophrenic. As an example - let's say you're using CEC to turn on the TV via Xbox. The TV screens start flicking between its different personalities. First it turns on and loads the standard firmware, then it loads Android, then it loads whatever streaming app was running when it switched off the last time, then it senses there's an HDMI input but can't figure out what it is (even though it was powered on by that input), then it realises it's Xbox and switches back to normal firmware and gives you the Xbox screen.

 

 

Connecting devices. Only HDMI 3 and HDMI 4 support HDR - it doesn't actually say that on the labels. Since HDMI 3 is ARC you may as well connect it to the receiver, and the Xbox/PS goes into HDMI 4 (unless you have a 120Hz 4K compatibe receiver). I had to watch a Youtube video to figure it out because it doesn't really say that anywhere easy to find.

 

 

Turning HDR on. The TV recognises that you've connected the Xbox Series X to it, but it's not smart enough to automatically turn on HDR. In fact, the Xbox is going to tell you that your TV isn't HDR capable. You need to go into settings and configure it manually. Apparently, it works seamlessly with a PS5 though.

 

 

Xbox setup and calibration. Talking Xbox calibration - someone should tell Sony that placing the main Settings menu along the right vertical means you can't see the calibration instructions that Xbox is putting on screen. I ended up just guessing what the Xbox was asking me to do. Kind of. To be fair, this finger can just easily be pointed at Microsoft though, but I suspect there are way more Xbox owners than X90J buyers.

 

 

Picture quality. The picture is amazing. Colours are vibrant, blacks are really really black. I'm not an expert, all I can say is that I really like what I'm seeing. The caveat is that I upgraded from a 42" 1080p, so I suspect I'd have had the same reaction if you put me in front of a 55" 4K Veon or something.

 

 

Gaming. When this TV launched there have been complaints about choppy motion, jitter, and lag, which have since been resolved with a firmware update. No they haven't. I don't know if the firmware story was bs, or if there's simply no au-nz version yet, but everything this guy here talks about in his well-substantiated rant - it's all still there.

 

 

Bottom line. This TV tries to do way too much, it over-complicates the core features and fails to deliver on the more advanced ones.

 

The only reason I don't have buyer's regret is that I got it for a very good price, and I'm still holding out for firmware improvements. Having said that, apparently last year models were promised a firmware update too, which never eventuated. So I wouldn't hold my breath.




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  #2729860 16-Jun-2021 21:26
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Dang the software sounds buggy asf.
Wonder if A80J & A90J have same software issues?

Sony has already sold out first shipment of 55" A80J.
Next shipment is July .



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  #2731860 21-Jun-2021 09:27
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Kookoo:

 

Connecting devices. Only HDMI 3 and HDMI 4 support HDR - it doesn't actually say that on the labels. Since HDMI 3 is ARC you may as well connect it to the receiver, and the Xbox/PS goes into HDMI 4 (unless you have a 120Hz 4K compatibe receiver). I had to watch a Youtube video to figure it out because it doesn't really say that anywhere easy to find.

 

 

Good review, thanks - just to clarify to others, the labels on the inputs are like these:

 

 

Kookoo:

 

Gaming. When this TV launched there have been complaints about choppy motion, jitter, and lag, which have since been resolved with a firmware update. No they haven't. I don't know if the firmware story was bs, or if there's simply no au-nz version yet, but everything this guy here talks about in his well-substantiated rant - it's all still there. Bottom line. This TV tries to do way too much, it over-complicates the core features and fails to deliver on the more advanced ones. The only reason I don't have buyer's regret is that I got it for a very good price, and I'm still holding out for firmware improvements. Having said that, apparently last year models were promised a firmware update too, which never eventuated. So I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

 

When I tested the TV in Australia (disclosure: Sony flew me there to check the TV before launch), I noticed an update available for the device I had in my room. Sony distributes the updates in waves so you might want to check it again. 





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#2735877 28-Jun-2021 14:33
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Sony has already sold out first shipment of 55" A80J.
Next shipment is July .

 

Noel Leeming have some in stores, picked one up on Sunday from our local store for $3632. (They happened to be running a Friends and Family discount offer in conjunction with our kid's primary school week just gone, $866 discount! 😃)

 

 




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  #2735881 28-Jun-2021 14:53
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Noel Leeming Masterton have a 77 inch A80J on display - just incredible


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  #2738061 2-Jul-2021 19:24
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Hmm not good to see what you say about the stuttering in gaming - I have put down a deposit on a 65" X90J as I don't need it for another 2 weeks but got it for $3300. I plan to get a Playstation 5. I see various posts about people saying an update has fixed gaming performance? You haven't had the same experience?

 

Your TL;DR said it was a dud to be avoided but you loved the picture quality? Is it the gaming stutter that kills it for you?

 

Maybe I should consider the Samsung QN90A - but it would be $500 more for 10" smaller, but a brighter and more contrasty picture?

 

 

 

 


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  #2738510 3-Jul-2021 18:31
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I've had mine for a couple of weeks now and I haven't noticed anything that could be called stuttering, either in movies/TV or games. Then again I only have a Switch and a PS3, so that's probably no help.


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  #2738532 3-Jul-2021 20:07
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SomePostman:

Hmm not good to see what you say about the stuttering in gaming - I have put down a deposit on a 65" X90J as I don't need it for another 2 weeks but got it for $3300. I plan to get a Playstation 5. I see various posts about people saying an update has fixed gaming performance? You haven't had the same experience?

 

Your TL;DR said it was a dud to be avoided but you loved the picture quality? Is it the gaming stutter that kills it for you?

 

Maybe I should consider the Samsung QN90A - but it would be $500 more for 10" smaller, but a brighter and more contrasty picture?

 

 

 

 

 

 

So my initial experience was - good picture, bad gaming, clunky Android TV.

 

The TV got the firmware update 3 days ago. Now I'd say - good picture, decent gaming, still clunky Android TV.

 

Decent picture quality should be expected of any TV at this price point, so that's pretty much a given. Stuttering has mostly disappeared after the firmware update.

 

But Google TV build is still really clunky. Navigation is problematic, and customisation (or lack of thereof) is really annoying. For example, Android TV has this thing called "channels" - your Home screen is split into rows which are dedicated to your streaming apps. One row per app, each row consists of preview tiles of shows available on that app. On a standard Google TV build you can rearrange them to match your viewing habits. Not so on Sony TV - it has no "settings" option for the Home screen. So although I hardly watch any anime (my fault, I know), the anime apps "channels" always fill most of my home screen because Sony decided so; whereas Youtube and Netflix are all the way down. It's minor stuff like that which quickly adds up to a really annoying experience.




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  #2738665 4-Jul-2021 15:39
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Android TV has always been either the biggest turn of or turn off for a TV. I've always said people should always try one before they but it because people fit into one of two categories - they either love it, or they hate it. There is no middle ground!

 

 


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Not trying to be "that guy" but I guess I'd say I'm pretty blasé about the Google TV experience so far. If the installation presented itself as a standard Android device with access to a the Google Play store, that would be amazing. As it stands I just use the Jellyfin app to watch stuff from my media server so I very rarely find myself on the home page. If I'm watching YouTube stuff it's a video that I started watching on another device and then cast to the TV. Still not sure I'm passing digital audio through correctly but that's unrelated.

 

I guess if I had a bunch of streaming accounts I would find it more of a PITA. Different strokes for different folks.


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I think I've just figured one advantage to having Google TV. Makes Netflix over VPN easy enough for the kids to use.




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