The death of HDMI?

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#64069 7-Jul-2010 10:13

"LG Electronics, Samsung Electronics, Sony Pictures Entertainment and Valens Semiconductor have been secretly conspiring to kill HDMI. And today they set their plans into motion, introducing a brand new audiovisual standard, HDBaseT. "

Full article here

Bring it on I say. HD video all around the house without baluns etc

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#348662 7-Jul-2010 10:24

Thanks for the heads up. Very interesting, and awesome, news.

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#348665 7-Jul-2010 10:31

Oh no! Now we will all need gold plated $100 a pop ethernet cables.

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#348666 7-Jul-2010 10:34

Sounds to me like the Korean manufacturers are trying to stop paying Royalties to the HDMI consortium,

No mention of how things like HDCP function over this new protocol, which will be the big roadblock for content providers really supporting this protocol.

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#348670 7-Jul-2010 10:39

You do know that you can get HDMI to Ethernet (Cat5E/6) adapter and use the Cat5E/6 cable to achieve longer distance. The HDCP is ensured at the adapter.

HDBaseT is showing that there's heaps more usefulness out from Cat5E/6 cable than just networking, it's so useful that it can be for anything, TV signal, audio, digital signal (phone/lan) and HDMI...

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#348677 7-Jul-2010 11:00

I was sceptical at first but think this is a good thing. Ethernet cables are an awesome idea. Like kiwitrc said, I wonder when Monster will try and sell us a $500 ethernet cable. Oh wait, I see Denon already have one;

http://www.usa.denon.com/productdetails/3429.asp

Which is interesting since this is the one shown in the article!

LOL

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#348679 7-Jul-2010 11:01

tchart:
http://www.usa.denon.com/productdetails/3429.asp

Which is interesting since this is the one shown in the article!

Downloading the PDF manual right now, cause using an ethernet cable is super techie plus I might plug it in the wrong way!

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#348738 7-Jul-2010 13:43

HDMI will eventually die but I don't think that HDBaseT will be its successor. Light Peak has been out for a few years now, I'd bet my money on that, since it's optical and older. I'm sure we'll see HDMI in hardware for the next 5-10 years (things like TV's last a lot longer than computer stuff, so change is much slower).

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#348743 7-Jul-2010 13:56

LOLZ, I seriously did download the manual for the $500 Denon cable.

The cable is "directional" for optimal performance. Some people will believe anything!

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#348744 7-Jul-2010 14:00

timestyles: HDMI will eventually die but I don't think that HDBaseT will be its successor. Light Peak has been out for a few years now, I'd bet my money on that, since it's optical and older. I'm sure we'll see HDMI in hardware for the next 5-10 years (things like TV's last a lot longer than computer stuff, so change is much slower).

i dont see light peak racing in to replace hdmi anytime soon. i think HDbaseT has a much better chance of taking over, at least in the short term. there are a lot more premises wired for cat5/cat6 than there are for optical, and i'm certainly not hearing of any optical structured cabling installs being performed in residential or business premesis. light peak also has the same challenges as hdmi around cable and connector costs.

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#348749 7-Jul-2010 14:19

Existing houses are being wired up with ethernet.

With houses lasting 50 years at least, it is hard to see ethernet being dumped quickly.

The problem is, there is always a new technology coming out tomorrow. If we change cabling every couple of years, we end up with a multitude of cabling systems and the uptake will be really difficult.

What is definitely needed, is a relatively future proof system (50 years??) providing residential scale multimedia and data distribution.

A 'star' topology seems the way to go, cabling should be capable of 10 gig, preferably 100gig to future proof 50 years.

Interference is an issue too, need to ensure this is minimised.

Another issue, is sockets, i don't want 10 sockets in each room (Freeview/Sky/PS3/STT/Tivo/network media player). Just a single modular plug suits me.

Final issue , is more software related, the control systems to coordinate devices and operating states. These days, a panasonic dvd will talk to panasonic tv, sony to sony, and so on. Why can't I push play on my DVD remote, the tv switches on, the AV receiver comes on to the correct input, and the dvd switches on. Why not? Sounds simple. A device control standard should go hand-in-hand with this stuff.

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#348753 7-Jul-2010 14:24

tchart:
tchart:
http://www.usa.denon.com/productdetails/3429.asp

Which is interesting since this is the one shown in the article!

Downloading the PDF manual right now, cause using an ethernet cable is super techie plus I might plug it in the wrong way!

The mind boggleth... do you have any idea how much Denon is charging for this wonder?

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#348759 7-Jul-2010 14:50

dpw:
tchart:
tchart:
http://www.usa.denon.com/productdetails/3429.asp

Which is interesting since this is the one shown in the article!

Downloading the PDF manual right now, cause using an ethernet cable is super techie plus I might plug it in the wrong way!

The mind boggleth... do you have any idea how much Denon is charging for this wonder?

It says right there on the site - $499! That would be US$ too!

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#348761 7-Jul-2010 14:56

i am sure there are more than just this secret conspiracy happening in the world today ... maybe another one or two?

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#348774 7-Jul-2010 15:22

wreck90: future proof 50 years.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

wreck90: a panasonic dvd will talk to panasonic tv, sony to sony, and so on.

I still think an external controller (harmony etc) is better than the built in hdmi commands though. Most people end up turning that off because it's nice up to a point, but then gets in the way when you're trying to control a lot of devices in different ways.

An ethernet type cable replacement sounds great really. Being able to terminate yourself makes pulling these cables heaps easier. HDMI isn't going anywhere too soon though. Consumers are already miffed but frustrated at the development rate for HD Pictures/Audio receiver requirements and now 3D as well. You can only get people to junk their new gear so often before the take up is very slow.

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#348780 7-Jul-2010 15:42

Does this mean I should hold off purchasing a new TV? Will it really replace HDMI or just be another alternative?

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