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Topic # 8587 13-Jul-2006 11:46

Ok, I have Sky multiroom, My Sky in the living room and another decoder is the main bedroom. I just bought a Samsung HDTV LCD and I've just realised that the decoder in my bedroom which is the older version before My Sky came out, does not have Component video outlet but only composite SCART outlets, which are not as good as component. Is there a way around this?

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Reply # 40951 13-Jul-2006 13:08

you can get SCART components output if you look around a bit.

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Reply # 40952 13-Jul-2006 13:20

There is a SCART to RGB option on the decoder menu. As far as I am aware the decoder does not support SCART to component at this stage.

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Reply # 40986 13-Jul-2006 18:45

Jama is right regular decoders cant do component out only S Video; probably wont see much of a difference anyway unless MySky upconvers to 720p or 1080i over component

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Reply # 41024 14-Jul-2006 07:07

SKY are hoping to enable component output on some models of non-PVR decoder before the end of the year. The oldest models, (with TP2 and TP3 processors) will never be able to do it, but the newer ST 5512, 5516 and 5517-based models can with a software update. What's the model number and manufacturer of your second decoder? (from the sticker underneath)

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Reply # 41049 14-Jul-2006 13:12

manaia: SKY are hoping to enable component output on some models of non-PVR decoder before the end of the year. The oldest models, (with TP2 and TP3 processors) will never be able to do it, but the newer ST 5512, 5516 and 5517-based models can with a software update. What's the model number and manufacturer of your second decoder? (from the sticker underneath)

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Reply # 41121 14-Jul-2006 19:19

I just noticed that it has a S-Video output, I know that S-Video is not as good as component but I also know that it's better that Composite... perhaps I should use an S-Video until Sky does something about this?

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Reply # 41130 14-Jul-2006 20:47

Yes, you should give svideo a go. As sky are using a lower then optimal resolution for most channels, and the chroma is subsampled with mpeg in anycase the limited chroma bandwidth of svideo isnt a huge issue like it is for a gaming console etc.

And as for upconversion, Thats totally pointless. I know there is a fad for dvd players to do it, but you have to ask yourself how many people in NZ are going to be feeding it into an HD CRT set which is the only place that it is a benifit.

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Reply # 41782 16-Jul-2006 18:52

With DVD at 720p/1080i over HDMI is a lot better than component

Sure its not proper HD by anymeans because the original disk is not; but there is a very noticable difference with the picture

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Reply # 41802 17-Jul-2006 09:20

Most anybody who has an upscaling DVD player will be feeding the signal to a HDTV over DVI or HDMI since there are very few, if any DVD players that ouput 720p or 1080i over component. This was a restriction of the licensing agreement. I am aware of an Oppo, a Samsung with hacked firmware and an earlier model HP but not many others.

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Reply # 41805 17-Jul-2006 09:30

i know Samsung has one... not sure it is still available or not but they're the only one to do HDMI output.

Sony has a DVD/HDD recorder, their RDR-HX1010 model which has all the thing you want. but not too sure about upscaling though.

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Reply # 41821 17-Jul-2006 11:28

The Pace DSR2000 is one of the decoders which is planned to have component enabled in the next download.

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Reply # 41824 17-Jul-2006 11:30

I wonder if they have to wait for a fine day to do the download (Rain Fade).

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Reply # 41835 17-Jul-2006 12:52

manaia: The Pace DSR2000 is one of the decoders which is planned to have component enabled in the next download.

How does that happen? does it update itself like My Sky does with it's firmware?

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Reply # 41843 17-Jul-2006 14:24

All of the Sky decoders support firmware updating from the incoming transport stream. Infact it is a part of the DVB standard to provide such a feature. The roll out of firmware updates can be controlled to various parameters such as territory (the CA card details where you live), and obviously they must send out different firmware builds for different hardware models.

The firmware wont ultimately load unless the whole file is received without CRC errors, so if you suffer rain fade during a download it will just junk it and wait for another shot latter.

If you are suffering more than 10-15mins of rain fade per year, then you should get your dish alignment checked, I dont arrive at this fiqure by an old means, but Optus do publish expected fiqures and in the 10years of messing about with Kband satellite reception from B1 I can confirm that 10-15mins is about all you should ever see (unless you are on the WestCoast of the SI with a 65cm dish).

One cavet to all that is B1 has just entered a mode of incline orbit as its fuel runs low, over the next 2-3months until D1 is ready to replace B1 we should expect an increase in sporadic signal level drops, "rain fade" as B1 wanders about with less restrictive control.

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Reply # 41853 17-Jul-2006 17:58

We tried using the hdmi out of a player at a mates place before shelling out for a 10m hdmi cable to run thru the place before patching up the gib.

End result was that at 576 or 480i it was better then component, untill we set the brightness and contrast on the projector right, and then there was no difference.

1080i was a right mess, with artifacts everywhere, but that may be because the projector is only 1280x1024, 720p was indistinguishable from 576 or 480i or p over component or hdmi. The player cant make picture appear thats not there, and it cant possibly be better to have the images deinterlaced and resized twice. At the moment just the HTPC goes thru DVI to the projector. We could always put a hdmi to dvi adaptor at the player end if needed but the results proved that it was pointless.

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