Safe from copyright infrigment with BigPipe?

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xlinknz

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#1454055 20-Dec-2015 21:45

Do you really think that those ISPs that use CGNAT do not have to meet their obligations under the law [think lawful intercept] to show the user & contact details of a particular ip addressed [NATed or not] at any one time ?

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#1454060 20-Dec-2015 21:47

Its one of those who knows type things, but given that I have not had warning 1 yet I wont be bothering to do anything till I get warning 2 - and it will probably just be a swap from bigpipe to flip or someone else cheap if it happens.

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#1454121 21-Dec-2015 08:04

If people are going to pirate music etc when you can use services like spotify/itunes etc then they won't want to pay for any service like vpn's seedboxes etc. Some people have the mind set of "it's there so I am going to take it".

It shows even more when they ask questions about ISP network setup etc.

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#1454123 21-Dec-2015 08:10

“Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.”

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#1454125 21-Dec-2015 08:14

To be honest he must be doing some pretty dodgy things if he is being caught out or is a massive distributor of copyright content. I openly admit that I've downloaded copyright material in the past but it was always out of print vinyl rips and music from 40 years ago so when it comes to copyright infringement then I'd say they'll be going after the bigger fish than people like me. IMHO if your friend has been caught out 2 times already then it is highly likely we're not talking about someone downloading a couple of albums but someone running a major seeding operation.

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#1454128 21-Dec-2015 08:21

kawaii: To be honest he must be doing some pretty dodgy things if he is being caught out or is a massive distributor of copyright content. I openly admit that I've downloaded copyright material in the past but it was always out of print vinyl rips and music from 40 years ago so when it comes to copyright infringement then I'd say they'll be going after the bigger fish than people like me. IMHO if your friend has been caught out 2 times already then it is highly likely we're not talking about someone downloading a couple of albums but someone running a major seeding operation.

More likely the exact opposite, judging from the people who have had three strikes so far.

Almost all of them have been people who have no idea how bit torrent works, and so left stuff seeding for months and months even after the first and second strikes.
The smart thing to do, if you have had two strikes, is to learn how bit torrent works. There are loads of ways around the copyright law. I won't post them here, but s implement Google should find you results.
If the OPs 'friend' is too lazy to simply Google this, then frankly he deserves to get caught.

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#1454171 21-Dec-2015 08:59

Brumfondl: The music industry is the only one issuing notices iirc. Stop downloading the latest popular music from torrents and the problem goes away. If you really want to get it without paying there are other ways that do not use torrents and are therefore not covered by the law. If you keep using torrents after a warning then you are an idiot and deserver whatever is coming to you if you persist.

Please note that I am not condoning or condemning getting the music for free. I am just condemning stupidity when doing so.

I didn't think the law distinguished the 'technology' side of pirating, apart from the fact the rights holders have a hard enough time tracking people with public trackers, let alone SSL seedbox's or usenet. Might be more that public trackers are just the easy choice and they can be seen to be doing something?

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#1454189 21-Dec-2015 09:10

On 2 strikes?
Thats a solid effort, Like id genuinely have to try to get that.
Maybe instead of trying to hide his activities educate him on what Netflix/Spotify/Soundcloud/ and everything else in between.

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#1454348 21-Dec-2015 11:06

timbosan:
Brumfondl: The music industry is the only one issuing notices iirc. Stop downloading the latest popular music from torrents and the problem goes away. If you really want to get it without paying there are other ways that do not use torrents and are therefore not covered by the law. If you keep using torrents after a warning then you are an idiot and deserver whatever is coming to you if you persist.

Please note that I am not condoning or condemning getting the music for free. I am just condemning stupidity when doing so.

I didn't think the law distinguished the 'technology' side of pirating, apart from the fact the rights holders have a hard enough time tracking people with public trackers, let alone SSL seedbox's or usenet. Might be more that public trackers are just the easy choice and they can be seen to be doing something?

AFAIK the law is purely about torrents. Using services like Mega is not covered as there is already a way in place for rights holders to get files removed from those services.

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#1454485 21-Dec-2015 12:45

Dynamic: “Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.”

― C.S. Lewis

I agree with the quote but question what the right thing is. In the case of the ~~copyright mafia~~ recording industry, both enforcement actions and propaganda have been so ridiculously over the top that even the authorities don't take them seriously anymore. I did download the odd thing in the past, but these days I cannot begin to get through all the free stuff online, let alone anything that costs money. There is simply no need for piracy, unless you suffer from some kind of complicated mental condition.

I believe people should be paid for their work. I'm a little less convinced about adding to the riches of mega-corporations, but it is an issue that no longer concerns me. As long as there are DNS proxies (some even free), my integrity is intact.

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#1454733 21-Dec-2015 19:17

jnimmo: Interesting thought, I can only assume BigPipe may have to keep a history of NAT translations in the same way other ISPs would keep track of who had a given IP address at a point in time? But that would result in a huge amount of data

They don't need to track every translation. Research "port block allocation" for more details.

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#1454821 21-Dec-2015 21:32

I found this article that others may find interesting.

"The technology does still allow individual customers to be identified if they are sharing the same IP address, as long as the port the customer is using is also known," a BT spokesperson said in a statement. "Although the IP address is shared, the combination of IP address and port will always be unique and as such these two pieces of information, along with the time of the activity can uniquely identify traffic back to a broadband line."

http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2013/may/individuals-can-be-identified-despite-ip-address-sharing-bt-says/

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#1471781 15-Jan-2016 11:29

nzyxc: I found this article that others may find interesting.

"The technology does still allow individual customers to be identified if they are sharing the same IP address, as long as the port the customer is using is also known," a BT spokesperson said in a statement. "Although the IP address is shared, the combination of IP address and port will always be unique and as such these two pieces of information, along with the time of the activity can uniquely identify traffic back to a broadband line."

http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2013/may/individuals-can-be-identified-despite-ip-address-sharing-bt-says/

so the question becomes, does RIANZ (or whoever sends the notices) include a port number too? I wouldn't be so sure.

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