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#2788846 4-Oct-2021 08:34

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The sooner 3G spectrum is used for 4G / 5G the better

Isn't the voice content of 4G carried over 3G??

@old3eyes Not when on a VoLTE call (Voice over LTE / 4G)

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#2788847 4-Oct-2021 08:38

@old3eyes How can you can compare VoLTE which has been used around the world for almost 10 years to Windows11?

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#2788850 4-Oct-2021 08:44

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@old3eyes How can you can compare VoLTE which has been used around the world for almost 10 years to Windows11?

VoLTE has indeed been around a long time but not in NZ.

Because there are a lot of phones out there that will not do VoLTE so if the NZ carriers were to say 3G is being switched off end of 2022 (unlikely) there would be thousands of phones that would be obsolete over nite. Like a lot of good PCs out there that after 2025 when Win 10 support ends will be effectively obsolete.

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#2788854 4-Oct-2021 08:50

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@old3eyes How can you can compare VoLTE which has been used around the world for almost 10 years to Windows11?

VoLTE has indeed been around a long time but not in NZ.

Because there are a lot of phones out there that will not do VoLTE so if the NZ carriers were to say 3G is being switched off end of 2022 (unlikely) there would be thousands of phones that would be obsolete over nite. Like a lot of good PCs out there that after 2025 when Win 10 support ends will be effectively obsolete.

@old3eyes So the carriers should cater for end users that want to use old technology that is less efficient?

I was thinking 3G should be turned off by end of 2021 Edit: End of 2022 I will accept

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#2788855 4-Oct-2021 08:52

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@old3eyes So the carriers should cater for end users that want to use old technology that is less efficient?

I was thinking it should be turned off by end of 2021

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#2788865 4-Oct-2021 09:10

I don't really care much for 5G. For most people 4G is "fast enough", same as 100Mbps fibre, as opposed to 1Gbps or Hyperfibre - majority don't need it. The main benefit is to allow carriers to use their spectrum more efficiently. This doesn't help people in metro areas who still only have 3G coverage, so will never see 5G. Hopefully 5G will mean more cells on street lamps and the like but I somehow doubt it.

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#2788889 4-Oct-2021 09:49

old3eyes:

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@old3eyes How can you can compare VoLTE which has been used around the world for almost 10 years to Windows11?

VoLTE has indeed been around a long time but not in NZ.

Because there are a lot of phones out there that will not do VoLTE so if the NZ carriers were to say 3G is being switched off end of 2022 (unlikely) there would be thousands of phones that would be obsolete over nite. Like a lot of good PCs out there that after 2025 when Win 10 support ends will be effectively obsolete.

Just like the thousands of perfectly good analog phones that were made obsolete when Spark (Telecom) went all digital in the 90s,

Just like the thousands of perfectly good D-Amps phones that were made obsolete when Spark (Telecom) moved to CDMA in 2007

Just like the thousands of perfectly good CDMA phones that were made obsolete when Spark (Telecom) moved to XT in 2012,

The world turns, and things change, spectrum is a valuable fixed commodity and more modern networks use it much more efficiently...

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#2788925 4-Oct-2021 10:36

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I don't really care much for 5G. For most people 4G is "fast enough", same as 100Mbps fibre, as opposed to 1Gbps or Hyperfibre - majority don't need it. The main benefit is to allow carriers to use their spectrum more efficiently. This doesn't help people in metro areas who still only have 3G coverage, so will never see 5G. Hopefully 5G will mean more cells on street lamps and the like but I somehow doubt it.

I'm similarly ambivalent about 5g as I struggle to get even 3g at my workplace and I'm downtown.

So unless something magical happens with a 5g upgrade to signal strength it won't make any difference to me unfortunately.

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#2788946 4-Oct-2021 11:12

I wonder why the mobile companies here in NZ haven't made plans to switch off 3G. I note at&t and tmobile in the US are switching of 3G in January 2022.

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#2789005 4-Oct-2021 11:24

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I wonder why the mobile companies here in NZ haven't made plans to switch off 3G. I note at&t and tmobile in the US are switching of 3G in January 2022.

There is no need to do this. They have enough spectrum to happily leave 3G running. Why would they create carnage for the millions of people out there with non VoLTE devices when it's not going to deliver any benefits? Why would they kill all the revenue from inbound roaming (sure it's $0 at present, but won't be next year..)

The impacts of the US move are significant including the fact nobody roaming to the US will have voice calling any longer.

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#2789007 4-Oct-2021 11:25

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Telstra in Australia are looking at turning off their 3G network in 2024 - they've already started using some of their 850MHz for 5G. It would be interesting to see whether in the long run we'll see 5G being deployed on 850MHz with 4G on 700MHz being a fall back.

I suspect we'll see 700MHz 5G here in the not too distant future.

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#2789010 4-Oct-2021 11:30

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Telstra in Australia are looking at turning off their 3G network in 2024 - they've already started using some of their 850MHz for 5G. It would be interesting to see whether in the long run we'll see 5G being deployed on 850MHz with 4G on 700MHz being a fall back.

I suspect we'll see 700MHz 5G here in the not too distant future.

Why then didn't they make RCG cellsites 3G voice capable. My understanding is you need a VOLTE enabled handset to talk on a RCG cellsite.

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#2789027 4-Oct-2021 11:54

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I don't really care much for 5G. For most people 4G is "fast enough", same as 100Mbps fibre, as opposed to 1Gbps or Hyperfibre - majority don't need it. The main benefit is to allow carriers to use their spectrum more efficiently. This doesn't help people in metro areas who still only have 3G coverage, so will never see 5G. Hopefully 5G will mean more cells on street lamps and the like but I somehow doubt it.

You can't generalise I note a lot of people want to upgrade their iphones whenever a new model comes out. On fibre the 100/20 you mention will soon be replaced by 300/100 as the entry level speed tier.

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#2789034 4-Oct-2021 12:04

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I wonder why the mobile companies here in NZ haven't made plans to switch off 3G. I note at&t and tmobile in the US are switching of 3G in January 2022.

There is no need to do this. They have enough spectrum to happily leave 3G running. Why would they create carnage for the millions of people out there with non VoLTE devices when it's not going to deliver any benefits? Why would they kill all the revenue from inbound roaming (sure it's $0 at present, but won't be next year..)

The impacts of the US move are significant including the fact nobody roaming to the US will have voice calling any longer.

Won't just be non VoLTE devices. EFTPOS machines that are mobile are probably also if not all are likely GPRS or UTMS based.

Would hurt a fair few mobile businesses but I suppose it's just easier to move them over to a 4G solution.

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#2789105 4-Oct-2021 14:35

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Why then didn't they make RCG cellsites 3G voice capable. My understanding is you need a VOLTE enabled handset to talk on a RCG cellsite.

Technical limitations. Was easier and more cost effective to do multi operator 4G only.

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