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#2945952 24-Jul-2022 16:06

cyril7: You said, "...I recommend a local sparkie or data cabler to do the task, purhaps even a general handy man who is up to it."

From what Wheelbarrow said, it seems that I shouldn't need to get involved to this degree, as Chorus could, and would, do that. And no, under-house access isn't really feasible, otherwise I could have run a draw wire myself. The crawl space, if one could get through the concrete base, would possibly be accessible only to a ferret, if it wasn't full grown.

But I really need to be discussing this with whomever is doing the on-property fibre run and ONT installation. So, what is the name of this mysterious organization? Is this information not publicly accessible?

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#2945953 24-Jul-2022 16:08

geekIT:

Wheelbarrow01:

Correct. The fibre network is generally designed to have a double drop-off point at every second boundary - which then services two properties.

So the drop-off for your property will have been designed to service both your property and the property to your left. The network build team can't just move it to your right hand boundary as it will no longer be in a suitable location to service your left side neighbour.

Your first option is to request for it to be relocated as part of your installation. In that case, the existing drop-off will stay where it is to service your neighbour on the left, and you'll essentially be charged to have an extra drop-off installed on your right hand boundary. It's outside boundary work so will involve council consent and footpath/berm reinstatement costs - it's probably in the thousands of dollars if I had to estimate it. But the work will be quoted so you get the chance to say no.

As someone else has suggested, it may be far cheaper to run your own 20mm duct and draw wire from your preferred FTP location on the right side of the house out to the originally proposed drop-off point on the left. Another option could be shallow trenched ruggedised cable which Chorus technicians can lay in soft surfaces and across concrete paths etc via slot trenching. This is one of the free installation methods so is probably the quickest/easiest option.

Thanks for your response - the last option is all I need. I've obviously been asking the wrong question: The drop point doesn't matter, it's where the fiber cable ends up that's important. BTW, there are no concrete drives or paths to traverse.

So, who do I contact to arrange for this alternative?

are you going to be happy with it being burred about 200mm under your section? by contractors that want to get the job done as fast as possible?

there is no official depth for them to bury it at and there have been many posts on here of the ruggedized cable being damaged by a shovel.

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#2945961 24-Jul-2022 16:26

geekIT:

From what Wheelbarrow said, it seems that I shouldn't need to get involved to this degree, as Chorus could, and would, do that.

They will but as i mentioned it will be the cheapest quickest job you could think of. so it depends on what you personally want.

geekIT:

But I really need to be discussing this with whomever is doing the on-property fibre run and ONT installation. So, what is the name of this mysterious organization? Is this information not publicly accessible?

You order you fiber through your ISP, probably not ready to order yet if they are still doing stuff in your street, then chorus will be in touch for a scoping visit, this is when you both agree on the plan and where things are going, from there it might be straight to an install at another visit or it might require more work.

Do not sign the job off with chorus until you are happy.

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#2945962 24-Jul-2022 16:26

Hi, so as said, the Chorus contractors (and that is who they are, typically emplyed by USG and other Chorus sub contracotrs) will appear, you tell them what you want, they will agree or they wont, if they dont agree tell them to resechedule for when they have a mutually acceptable plan. If they agree to your plan, then leave them to it.

There most likely outcome is to shallow bury in your property the toughend micro duct, typically at a depth of 200-300mm from the current ETP to the preferred location, they may intercept the original duct before the existing ETP if that makes sense and is possible. If that is acceptable to you, and they are happy then that is what will happen.

If you want a more controlled path that is layed at a deeper level of say 400-500mm, then you should expect to organise this yourself and installed at your own cost..

In my case there was no existing copper conduit, to get what I wanted I layed several months in advance a 25mm grey conduit for the 50-60m from the location that they had dropped the fibre at the front edge of the section to the side of my garage. I also installed 20m of 20mm conduit from the side of the garage to my data cabinet in the garage area. The installers were onsite less than an hour, they were delighted to have such an easy job, that could have been more complex, I was delighted to get exactly what I wanted.

Dont forget these contractors are paid a minimal fee to install, if you start demanding complex solutions, expect them to not engage. If you want specific outcomes, you may need to put some effort towards it.

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#2945963 24-Jul-2022 16:27

geekIT:

But I really need to be discussing this with whomever is doing the on-property fibre run and ONT installation. So, what is the name of this mysterious organization? Is this information not publicly accessible?

It's not mysterious, it's Chorus (or possibly a sub contractor to them). Once you order the first fibre connection to the property, they will contact you and arrange a time to scope out the instal and discuss with you.

It's all explained on their website https://www.chorus.co.nz/getting-fibre

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#2945965 24-Jul-2022 16:34

I did similar to what cyril7 did, i ran chorus green 20mm conduit the 15m underground the the power pole, i was going from overhead to underground at the same time. They turned up and had it all done in about 45 mins, as it was just a case of putting in a bit of conduit on the pole and running the fiber from the pit to the ONT.

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#2945966 24-Jul-2022 16:35

cyril7:

geekIT:

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Thanks for your response - the last option is all I need. I've obviously been asking the wrong question: The drop point doesn't matter, it's where the fiber cable ends up that's important. BTW, there are no concrete drives or paths to traverse.

So, who do I contact to arrange for this alternative?

Hi, I recommend a local sparkie or data cabler to do the task, purhaps even a general handy man who is up to it. As mentioned, is there under floor access, or is it too tight or a concrete slab. If there is access then the Chorus installers should be happy to run the internal run under the house. Alternatively have a 20mm conduit path with draw wire run in advance around the house. And finally as Wheelbarrow states, the Chorus techs may be happy to run the micro duct around the perimeter of the house as part of the install, it all depends on how many obsticals.

Also if there are no drives or concrete to contend with, it may be possible to intercept the current copper duct from the street inline with the front of the house and save trenching back from the current ETP to the front of the house then around to the right.

Cyril

I'm not aware of there ever being a duct to run copper inside a property like this. The 045 twin cable was generally just buried, some times sharing a trench for the storm water or similar. In fact I've known of it to be just pushed down (probably no more than 300mm) into a slit made with the blade of a spade. I doubt there is a duct to draw anything through.

If there's no driveways I think it's quite probable Chorus can/will thrust across to the right side of your property to allow the ONT to be installed on that side of the house.

Our install went like this.

Phone call from contractor (Civtec) to arrange scoping visit.

Scoping guy visits and we discuss the fibre install and agree on fibre route inside property and location of ONT
1. Date and times arranged for fibre thrusting
2. Date and time arranged for ONT install and fibre cut over.
The thrusting guys turn up and thrust in the mini duct (10 to 12 mm plastic tube) and run the fibre to the house
The fibre techs turn up, install a termination box outside the house and from there run the internal fibre to the ONT.
Job done.

One thing I think everyone needs to think about is the best location for their router and or WiFi access points and if possible have the ONT in the same location. I used an cupboard under the stairs.

Following on from the location also consider having some form of UPS to power the ONT (and the router and WiFi access points) otherwise when the power goes off so does your phone and internet.

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#2945974 24-Jul-2022 17:24

Hi, 049 direct buried has not been a thing since the early 90s, since then it is a requirement its in 20mm telecom duct (green underground, white above). Only exception is long runs in rural settings where direct buried is still allowed.

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#2945976 24-Jul-2022 17:48

@Technofreak chorus hardly ever thrust these days due to cost. as the cost per install went down 2-3 years ago.

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#2945977 24-Jul-2022 17:52

If you want conduit and there is none, you'll need to install it (bury it, etc) yourself - but Chorus can send out some free conduit if required.

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#2945979 24-Jul-2022 17:57

quickymart:

If you want conduit and there is none, you'll need to install it (bury it, etc) yourself - but Chorus can send out some free conduit if required.

that might be harder than you think, and depends on who you talk to

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#2945981 24-Jul-2022 17:59

cyril7:

Hi, 049 direct buried has not been a thing since the early 90s, since then it is a requirement its in 20mm telecom duct (green underground, white above). Only exception is long runs in rural settings where direct buried is still allowed.

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Ok, stand corrected. My direct experience was up till the 1990's which still covers a lot of properties.

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#2945982 24-Jul-2022 18:02

Jase2985:

@Technofreak chorus hardly ever thrust these days due to cost. as the cost per install went down 2-3 years ago.

Even though ours was a Spark connection the fibre isn't Chorus but was done about 2 months ago and was thrusted. Obviously different rules for different fibre provider/areas/contractors.

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#2945990 24-Jul-2022 18:44

Technofreak:

Even though ours was a Spark connection the fibre isn't Chorus but was done about 2 months ago and was thrusted.

explains a lot then

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#2945992 24-Jul-2022 19:23

Jase2985:

Technofreak:

Even though ours was a Spark connection the fibre isn't Chorus but was done about 2 months ago and was thrusted.

explains a lot then

From our experience I expected the same happened elsewhere, especially as our experience mirrored what other family members had in a different part of the country. Obviously not.

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