I'm imagining a direct link between Bigtime withdrawal and TiVo

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Ragnor

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#337726 3-Jun-2010 11:59

Big Time required too much $$ to run for too little $$ in return, case closed.

The bean counters probably pointed out all the money being spent to run the Big Time plan would have generated a higher return on investment if the money was put in the bank on standard interest rates.

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#337736 3-Jun-2010 12:13

Ragnor: Big Time required too much $$ to run for too little $$ in return, case closed.

The bean counters probably pointed out all the money being spent to run the Big Time plan would have generated a higher return on investment if the money was put in the bank on standard interest rates.

But they would have made initial calculations based on a 'fair' amount people would download. Someone made an analogy not too long ago between Bigtime and all you can eat buffets - there is a fine line between going into Valentines, having a big meal and leaving after and hour versus the data vampires who sat there for 6 hours, eating and vomiting then eating more then vomiting then after 6 hours complaining that restaurant has closed down. The solution would have been quite simply, a soft cap and a three strikes and you're out policy. I don't want to download 100s of gigabytes of data, I just want at least 100gb at max and that is it (most times never actually hitting that amount) - and it is a fallacy to say that Telecom couldn't make money off such a plan.

As for those who do 'backups' - get an external hard disk like everyone else. If you're a business, stop freeloading off a residential package and get a business line - if you don't want to pay for a business line then don't run a business in the first place.

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#337740 3-Jun-2010 12:18

doozy: Not that anyone who posts this kind of stuff would actually believe me, but.

There is no link, not even a loose association other than the product manager for Tivo sits near me.

manjina: So what your inferring is Big Time was withdrawn as Telecom realised Tivo uptake would not take off while people could source digital media 'free' from the interwebs??

I've always thought 'blame the customers' was a bit of a cop out, and I just assumed it was Telecom incompetance. (recent track record speaks for itself).

However, now I'm thinking, surely they cant be that incompetant all the time, and there could possibly be hidden motives behind the BT withdrawal.

So that leaves me stuck between

1. Huge Telco with massive resources cant stay ahead of its userbase in technical cat and mouse game.

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2. Huge Telco with history of deceit has ulterior motive in withdrawing BT.

Way to go proving Doozy's point. You people seriously need to stop with the conspiracy theories. It doesn't do you any favours - and you wonder why Telecom won't talk to you.

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#337747 3-Jun-2010 12:32

manjina: So what your inferring is Big Time was withdrawn as Telecom realised Tivo uptake would not take off while people could source digital media 'free' from the interwebs??

I've always thought 'blame the customers' was a bit of a cop out, and I just assumed it was Telecom incompetance. (recent track record speaks for itself).

However,?now I'm thinking, surely they cant be that incompetant all the time, and there could possibly be hidden motives behind the BT withdrawal.

So that leaves me stuck between

1. Huge Telco with massive resources cant stay ahead of its userbase in technical cat and mouse game.

or

2. Huge Telco with history of deceit has ulterior motive in withdrawing BT.

I read lots of theories over the year, but sure this is one load of rubish. There is no evidence of foul play, and I believe if the business is not viable, then deal with it - change, withdrawal or do whatever it takes to put it in line with governance requirements.

In this case Big Time proved not viable and they decided, as their rght, to stop offering it.

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#337807 3-Jun-2010 13:47

kawaii: As for those who do 'backups' - get an external hard disk like everyone else.

Online backups are a valid application. External HDD can be lost, stolen or die in a fire. I have about 128GB on Mozy Home. ot everything uploaded in a single month. Unless you are talking about a full baseline backup then you could manage to upload a few gigabytes a month and have all there in a few months, if your plan is limited.

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#337813 3-Jun-2010 13:52

freitasm:
kawaii: As for those who do 'backups' - get an external hard disk like everyone else.

Online backups are a valid application. External HDD can be lost, stolen or die in a fire. I have about 128GB on Mozy Home. ot everything uploaded in a single month. Unless you are talking about a full baseline backup then you could manage to upload a few gigabytes a month and have all there in a few months, if your plan is limited.

My previous post was an over reaction to the amount of stuff people were downloading and clogging up the system - so you may wish to take it with a truck load of salt :)

Regarding the backup services, why don't ISP's offer such services to customers directly? would that solve some of the bandwidth issues? It seems like it would be a great way to bring in extra cash if selling basic internet has razor thin margins.

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#337814 3-Jun-2010 13:55

There are a load of storage requirements for a backup service: terabytes of actual storage, duplication of this storage in geographically distributed locations for redundancy, duplication of the content between the locations, traffic between locations for duplication, and more.

It's probably not something an ISP wants to get into...

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#338126 3-Jun-2010 23:35

freitasm: Why do you think this?

Hi there,
I was pondering Telecom's comments that a few Bigtime users were using uncontrollable network capacity, and just wondered whether network (and market) performance of Telecom's TiVo product would be better with Bigtime no longer in its product mix.

Also pondering whether within Telecom the network costs attributed internally to Bigtime have risen, in other words whether these resources are now deemed more scarce & therefore more valuable, and as a consequence those responsible for Bigtime quite simply got run over?

Wundrin' 'n ponderin'

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#338356 4-Jun-2010 19:31

Possibly a bit of all of the above, conspiracy and all.

Mostly just an inability to effectively manage traffic on BT, and the fact that there are far easier ways of offering 'not quite all you can eat so we cant actually sell it as all you can eat'.
The logistics of appropriately managing file sharing traffic on the existing network, with VDSL2 connections in the pipeline would quite probably been consuming far too much in the way of intellectual resources, better spent on the deployment/development of sustainable NGT.
Who in all honesty, has the time to watch 1TB+ worth of downloaded video on a monthly basis?
Big Time by no means will have had a large effect on the uptake of TiVo, the people leeching content havce no need for TiVo...

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