Telecom XT Network launch date confirmed: 13th May 2009

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#210392 29-Apr-2009 00:06

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I'm not in a position to say whether you will need to sign a new contract to join the new XT Network or not. However I do know that @telecomnz and Gen-i will have a range of offers to make it easy for both new and existing customers to switch to Telecom?s new mobile network.

Neal

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Will we be getting any notification e.g a letter stating how much credit we get etc?

From late Jan a Telecom (TDAY) letter was sent to new corporate on account signups with information about a $149 credit towards a new handset and a 24month resign. Other than that all will be revealed on 13th May.

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#210598 29-Apr-2009 17:11

That Sony w995 will probably sell for more than 1400. Because Sony c905 sell for 1150 AUD. Lucky I have a SLR

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#210619 29-Apr-2009 18:11

Hi,

I was just wondering if I have an american handset with UMTS/W-CDMA 850/1900 and the XT network will be using 850 with 2100 infill for capacity, does that mean that if I'm in one of the main centres and on a 850 cell site and so are a whole lot of other people and because its 850/1900 UMTS instead of 850/2100 does that mean I am more likely to get dropped calls because 850 cell sites cant handle the same capacity or simulataneous calls as 2100 can? Correct me if I'm wrong but from research I've done on the net, I've found that 2100 is used for capacity because 850 cant handle as many simultaneous calls at once. Any info regarding this would be great. Thanks.

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#210622 29-Apr-2009 18:17

I presume the 2100mhz sites will be used in high usage locations and as such you shouldn't get connections dropped?

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#210650 29-Apr-2009 20:02

@swisskiwi

A handset that does not have WCDMA2100 will not be a problem. I do not expect it will experience any more call drops than any other handsets. Your non 2100 handset just does not become a candidate for handoff. I believe your research maybe flawed relating to WCDMA850 not being able to have as many simultaneous calls as WCDMA2100. I am not aware of this.

As an aside we do not expect capacity problems for some considerable time.

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#210691 29-Apr-2009 21:27

The only reason that 850mhz site has a percieved less capacity is because it covers a massive area for the same power output as a 2100mhz site which has a much smaller footprint.

So a 2100mhz has a shorter range perfect for small high density areas where as the 850 cell covers a much larger area with more people over a much larger area. You need 3 -5 2100mhz cells to cover the same area adequately that a 850mhz site does.

However you can serve more people at once with those 3-5 sites obviously ! i.e. if each cell can manage 250 calls 1 x 850mhz cell can handle 250 only but 3-5 2100mhz sites in this same foot print can enable 750 to 1250 calls.

I guess if you have key corridors in a city having both 850/2100 then customers close to the site & inside good 2100 coverage can be served by 2100 & 850 allowing the those further out to be served better by 850mhz alone. Probably would help with cell breathing as 850 is less hit by dense usage in close to the cell, good network management with a smaller layer of 2100 on top of consistant large 850 footprint.

Based on this theory, why Vodafone who don't have an entirely rock solid urban 2100 network, have not gone 900UMTS on city sites is questionable. Until they do this or increase their infill in a massive way they will struggle to convince users that they have a truely robust 3G network. If they did go 900 on all sites or over all coverage they would certainly be service competitive to XT mobiles foot print new footprint. GSM is not a fall back position, a consistent 3G foot print is!

If I am wrong some one kindly explain properly :)

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#210733 29-Apr-2009 22:34

bbman: The only reason that 850mhz site has a percieved less capacity is because it covers a massive area for the same power output as a 2100mhz site which has a much smaller footprint.

So a 2100mhz has a shorter range perfect for small high density areas where as the 850 cell covers a much larger area with more people over a much larger area. You need 3 -5 2100mhz cells to cover the same area adequately that a 850mhz site does.

However you can serve more people at once with those 3-5 sites obviously ! i.e. if each cell can manage 250 calls 1 x 850mhz cell can handle 250 only but 3-5 2100mhz sites in this same foot print can enable 750 to 1250 calls.

I guess if you have key corridors in a city having both 850/2100 then customers close to the site & inside good 2100 coverage can be served by 2100 & 850 allowing the those further out to be served better by 850mhz alone. Probably would help with cell breathing as 850 is less hit by dense usage in close to the cell, good network management with a smaller layer of 2100 on top of consistant large 850 footprint.

Based on this theory, why Vodafone who don't have an entirely rock solid urban 2100 network, have not gone 900UMTS on city sites is questionable. Until they do this or increase their infill in a massive way they will struggle to convince users that they have a truely robust 3G network. If they did go 900 on all sites or over all coverage they would certainly be service competitive to XT mobiles foot print new footprint. GSM is not a fall back position, a consistent 3G foot print is!

If I am wrong some one kindly explain properly :)

The range of cell towers is irrelvant to how many subscribers you can service in a specific area. If this were the case why not just use less powerful radios/antennas with stock standard 850mhz? The advantage of higher frequencies is they have a higher capacity to transfer more data due to increased frequency. Thus a 2100mhz cellsite could service the same area as a 850mhz tower except the higher frequency allows the servicing of more subscribers (as there are more channels with the higher frequency).

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#210808 30-Apr-2009 09:37

harrylin: That Sony w995 will probably sell for more than 1400. Because Sony c905 sell for 1150 AUD. Lucky I have a SLR

Where do you put the SIM card in a camera?

The W995 is basically direct competition to the Nokia N96 which Vodafone have listed for $1699, so I can't imagine Telecom doing it for less than maybe $1599 (why undercut the competition more than necessary?) - bearing in mind that the N96 has slightly better media features but the W995 is going to be better for network connectivity. We can but hope for it to be cheaper though. Failing that, I've seen estimated prices coming in at somewhat less than that, but grey importing it may not be very beneficial unless you can get it through customs without duty.

(I can order the 900/2100 version and land it here for approx $1100 Including GST by the end of the month, so I may investigate that based on what XT's pricing on the 850/2100 model is).

Do we have any idea how much the new "open network" (i.e. not Sprint/Nextel rebrands) phones are likely to be locked down? (i.e. crippled bluetooth/multimedia functionality to try and force usage of the online store(s)).

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#210825 30-Apr-2009 10:13

stevenz: The W995 is basically direct competition to the Nokia N96 which Vodafone have listed for $1699, so I can't imagine Telecom doing it for less than maybe $1599 (why undercut the competition more than necessary?) - bearing in mind that the N96 has slightly better media features but the W995 is going to be better for network connectivity. We can but hope for it to be cheaper though. Failing that, I've seen estimated prices coming in at somewhat less than that, but grey importing it may not be very beneficial unless you can get it through customs without duty.

(I can order the 900/2100 version and land it here for approx $1100 Including GST by the end of the month, so I may investigate that based on what XT's pricing on the 850/2100 model is).

Isn't the W995 a "world first" from Telecom? How are you able to import one if they're not out yet?

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#210828 30-Apr-2009 10:18

@zeon

I need to disagree with you. Irrespective of the frequency (850 vs 2100), 5MHz is allocated to a WCDMA carrier (CDMA is 1.25MHz). Thus the spectral efficiency is the same, by this I mean the number of bits per Hz per cell. Capacity really comes down to the number of cells in an area. With more 2100MHz cells than 850MHz cell needed to cover the same area you end up with more "capacity" just like @bbman describes above.

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#210883 30-Apr-2009 13:09

I don't think w995 is any better than n96. N96 has got symbian os, w995 got Sony os, LOL. N96 is a smartphone, w995 is only a phone with a camera. I'm lucky because I know how to use a SLR, so I'm not envy about w995 at all. Because it is useless to me, I need a real camera that take professional shots. Not interested in those little cameras :-D so I would rather choose n96 5mp than w995 8mp because symbian is much more powerful

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#210997 30-Apr-2009 19:31

Behodar:
Isn't the W995 a "world first" from Telecom? How are you able to import one if they're not out yet?

The W995 is supposed to be released in the UK in late May and is the 900Mhz version (no use on Telecom). Announced price for it is 449 Euro or 409GBP, and it comes with the HPM-88 noise-cancelling earbuds. Expansys list a May 14th release date.

The W995a version is the "world first" 850Mhz model that Telecom releases in July.

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#211000 30-Apr-2009 19:36

stevenz:
(I can order the 900/2100 version and land it here for approx $1100 Including GST by the end of the month, so I may investigate that based on what XT's pricing on the 850/2100 model is).

Have you seen Expansys are quoting the 900/2100 model for £409.99? Launch date is 14th May in the UK which makes a mockery of Telecom's claims they will be the first network in the world to have the handset.

I had heard rumors that VFNZ were going to have the 900/2100 model here shortly as Vodafone UK will be pushing it heavily but NZ are apprently getting one of the other new Walkman devices.

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#211004 30-Apr-2009 19:43

sbiddle:
Have you seen Expansys are quoting the 900/2100 model for £409.99? Launch date is 14th May in the UK which makes a mockery of Telecom's claims they will be the first network in the world to have the handset.

I had heard rumors that VFNZ were going to have the 900/2100 model here shortly as Vodafone UK will be pushing it heavily but NZ are apprently getting one of the other new Walkman devices.

Expansys will quite happily ship one to NZ too if anyone felt like having one to use on Vodafone well over a month before they're available for Telecom. Bit of an odd scenario, some sort of licensing issues preventing them releasing it in the states before then perhaps and delaying the NZ release as a result?

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