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guyz

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#10401 20-Nov-2006 20:19

hey all
i downloaded couple of songs from music store to my sanyo 9000.i thought hey! why plug into pc..copy files to pc and transfer to the wifes sanyo 9000. did exactly that..bingo transfered...BUT... file unplayable.. error messsage comes up saying not licensed to that phone.. i guess the DRM lock is effective...anyone known around this? seems really selfish of telecom when you consider when you buy a music cd you can play it on any cd player same for dvd..telecom keeps this up they will certainly loose my loyalty..i mean talk about GREEDY.

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#53067 20-Nov-2006 20:21

You are requesting on GZ how to action something against copy right laws

How much do songs cost on Telecom music store?

guyz

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#53068 20-Nov-2006 20:36

i feel that since i purchased the music in good faith..i have a right to play it on device that is designed to accept the music file which is part of my house hold..not for public use or broadcast..I would ask..should i purchase a music cd..do i breach the copy rights by playing the cd on my wifes cd player? unfortunately the only means to play the music on my wifes phone is to make a back up onto pc..i will add also that i do have a right to back up my files to pc..this is why sanyo privide the data cable.Should my current sanyo i9000 be destroyed accidentally along with the files i have downlkoad and paid for from telecom..will they then aloow me to download replacement music free of charge?..i think not..its simply greed. i have been with telecom 14 years spending thousands of dollars of usage. however my loyalty runs thin after discovering this

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#53071 20-Nov-2006 20:43

Based on that argument would it be acceptable to remove DRM entirely so that any music file could be copied and shared to and from any mobile phone?

Who is being greedy? I think you will find that Telecom is bound by the rules dictated by the recording companies and did not decide to deliberately make your life difficult. Think about it Telecom is phone company not a music publisher/recording company.

riahon

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#53073 20-Nov-2006 20:52

I havent tried it but have your read this?

http://www.telecom.co.nz/content/0,8748,204984-201463,00.html

"Download tons of songs from Telecom's Music Store

Any time you get the urge for a song, choose from hundreds of thousands of stereo quality full length tracks from Telecom's Music Store. Buy and download them to your mobile phone, and when you've got the song on your phone, you can download it to your PC for no extra cost."

Seems to me you may be going about it the wrong way.

johnr

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#53075 20-Nov-2006 21:07

guyz:
i feel that since i purchased the music in good faith..i have a right to play it on device that is designed to accept the music file which is part of my house hold..not for public use or broadcast..I would ask..should i purchase a music cd..do i breach the copy rights by playing the cd on my wifes cd player? unfortunately the only means to play the music on my wifes phone is to make a back up onto pc..i will add also that i do have a right to back up my files to pc..this is why sanyo privide the data cable.Should my current sanyo i9000 be destroyed accidentally along with the files i have downlkoad and paid for from telecom..will they then aloow me to download replacement music free of charge?..i think not..its simply greed. i have been with telecom 14 years spending thousands of dollars of usage. however my loyalty runs thin after discovering this

You realise some of the money goes to the artists as they need payment too!

and over the years you have spent $1000 on voice services not music

I think your argument is very poor

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#53076 20-Nov-2006 21:08

guyz:
i feel that since i purchased the music in good faith..i have a right to play it on device that is designed to accept the music file which is part of my house hold..not for public use or broadcast..I would ask..should i purchase a music cd..do i breach the copy rights by playing the cd on my wifes cd player?

Mate, this argument is nothing new around here. I agree that DRM imposes unfair restrictions apon legitimate users while doing precious little to curb piracy, but unfortunately it's here to stay.

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#53078 20-Nov-2006 21:15

i would think you agreed to this somewhere, and are now saying the contract you agreed to was unfair....

DRM sucks, but you agreed to it...

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johnr

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#53079 20-Nov-2006 21:24

Yes the customer has to agree to the T&C's before downloading a music track

and this is covered in the T&C's

If customer does not agree download your music from somewhere else and check out there T&Cs

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#53081 20-Nov-2006 21:27

The .KOZ files are "drm locked" to your mobile number, The "music" store connects and checks the licence when it connects.
They are basically "wrapped" mp4 HE+ files at 32Kbps.

You may download the equivalent .WMA (Protected DRM) files free to your PC by logging in somewhere (long lost in telecoms hopeless website) which I have never gotten the actual login to work for anyway, it either times out after sitting there for ages or just say's it's down for maintenance so I never used it again.

The price of the Telecom tracks is currently $3.50
The price of the Vodafone tracks is currently $1.99 (just had a price drop very recently)
Both allow a equiv DRM locked windows media download.

Th DRM locking is a stupid enforcement by the record labels, When I can buy legal (fully legal, not "russian legal") tracks in mp3 format, I will delete limewire forever....

guyz

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#53082 20-Nov-2006 21:41

thank you for your comments.. i wonder if some of the comments are from such persons that have copied/taped or shared video and musics from televison/radio programs protected by copy rights? i would suggest indeed yes..so i find the hypocracy of the commenters most amusing. i would hazard a guess to say they even at this moment have some form of copied item protected by intellectual property rights or patent and copy right laws..but hey...cant all be perfect eh

anyways ..my opinion remains firm telecom IS greedy and some of your comments have only reinforced it

thanking you

riahon

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#53085 20-Nov-2006 21:55

guyz: thank you for your comments.. i wonder if some of the comments are from such persons that have copied/taped or shared video and musics from televison/radio programs protected by copy rights? i would suggest indeed yes..so i find the hypocracy of the commenters most amusing. i would hazard a guess to say they even at this moment have some form of copied item protected by intellectual property rights or patent and copy right laws..but hey...cant all be perfect eh

anyways ..my opinion remains firm telecom IS greedy and some of your comments have only reinforced it

thanking you

What queue were you standing in when logic was being handed out?

Telecom dont make copyright laws. They actually allow you to download the song that you paid for on your phone to your computer as well which is what you actually asked for.

I agree that people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones but the point of your post is that Telecom are ripping you off for not allowing you the ability to break a law they didnt make.

guyz

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#53086 20-Nov-2006 22:33

the queue was about 10 streets up from where you were waiting as you are too slow. seems you missed the line for good manners also. shows the intellect of someone that has to revert to personal comments..any who...just found the telecom music store download page and will retract my "greedy" comment. at least i am "human' enough to acknowledge when i been corrected or have lack of information...which is what this forum is..not for the likes of some who seem to think they rule or set themselves up as being fully kknowledgeable...could be some of these types need to get a life!...nes pas?

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#53090 20-Nov-2006 23:04

It is in my opinion that the previous posters of this thread have already outlined the reasons behind DRM on handsets. And a few of those posters can be commended for not lashing at several uncalled for remarks at a certain Telco.

Whether or not you choose to accept the above points is up to you. If you want to refuse to believe them, then more power to you, we're (the posters) not trying to force you to agree with us. However, you cross the line when you make remarks about other people - unlike less moderated platforms... attacking a person because she/he says something you disagree with is not tolerated here. Attack the argument/idea, not the person. If you want to discuss topics on that basis (on the argument/idea) then on all accounts go ahead (while complying with the forum usage guidelines), you're welcome to.

And with that, I am closing this thread. It has lived its useful life and its now time for it to die.

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