MMS settings for Telecom

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#16483 11-Oct-2007 22:52

Does any one have the MMS settings for TNZ phones.

i.e server name
gateway
server address //

I am attempting to get MMS to work on the WM6 versionof HTC apache. The PXT and WAP services are on the switch and ICMS.

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#90765 11-Oct-2007 23:47

I think these settings where posted here on Geekzone sometime ago, but where removed at the request of Telecom New Zealand.

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#90768 12-Oct-2007 00:20

AFAIK, which is very little in this area...

You cannot do this, as the 'network' has not been told to let apache's send/recieve MMS.

So unless you can some-how trick into thinking that you are not using an apache, which will be against their TOS, then it will not work.

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#90950 13-Oct-2007 20:32

that will explain why when i emmulated settings it still fails.

Who the dumbass in TNZ that thinks MMS is not a good idea from these phones. Bring on GSM?WCDMA with less Network control on handset features.. ARRGH

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#90953 13-Oct-2007 20:57

bbman: that will explain why when i emmulated settings it still fails.

Who the dumbass in TNZ that thinks MMS is not a good idea from these phones. Bring on GSM?WCDMA with less Network control on handset features.. ARRGH

Personal attacks like that are simply not welcome on the Geekzone forums.

Do you really think that no MMS on the PDA's is because somebody in the company doesnt think its a good idea?

I think you might find the reasons behind it are a little more solid.

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#90954 13-Oct-2007 21:13

tonyhughes:
bbman: that will explain why when i emmulated settings it still fails.

Who the dumbass in TNZ that thinks MMS is not a good idea from these phones. Bring on GSM?WCDMA with less Network control on handset features.. ARRGH

Personal attacks like that are simply not welcome on the Geekzone forums.

Do you really think that no MMS on the PDA's is because somebody in the company doesnt think its a good idea?

I think you might find the reasons behind it are a little more solid.

Please explain the reasonings?? Telecom ham strings devices constantly and with out good reason, i am sure many are warranted but not allowing MMS on a PDA device with that capability??? why?. If there are good reasons please explain. Often they make no logical sense to the end user seller etc.

Personal attack hardy?? more directed at the organization who funny enough i support and have an allegence too but frustrate the crap out of me and most who work on behalf of. I stand by that comment but if it offended you i am sorry!

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#90965 14-Oct-2007 00:19

Windows Mobile does not support MMS. Telecom would have to license the use of a program such as ArcSoft like some US CDMA carriers do. Since the vast majority of PDA users are unlikely to use MMS it is not worth the expense for Telecom to add the software to the device and configure the network profile for it.

It is not a case of Telecom locking down the phone or removing functionality, mabe you should do a little research before going on the attack.

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#90973 14-Oct-2007 10:46

Htc Titan DOES support MMS but it was taken out on the tcnz release. HTC bought out the company that make the client ages back. The mms client is also very easy to use and rock solid. Shame really as it would have made my buying one from a "consider" to a "I'm getting one now"

You will never get it to work on Telecoms network as it's registered as a "legacy do" device.

Brad, how did you get the WM6 on yours? hack? or something legit?

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#90986 14-Oct-2007 13:52

Sorry but thats not correct, the only way for the Titan to support MMS is through the use of a 3rd party application, which does not come with it. It's not that it was removed, it was never there in the first place. Alltel are the only ones who have added support for the Titan via use of the the ArcSoft MMS program.

I have used the Sprint, Alltel and Telus releases and only Alltel had MMS support, but obviously wouldn't work on Telecom.

I have WM6, I took one of the US ROMs, removed the radio and extrom etc, unlocked the Titan and flashed that.

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#91041 14-Oct-2007 22:26

Ok, fair call Brad. Although i wasn't talking about the Titan especially.

In fact a lot of corp clients and general users ask why their TNZ PDA phone can only email pictures and does not support PXT where as there Vodafone opposites do.

Based on this i would say that had the feature been made available it may have been used plus there are advantages with other services over MMS etc.

But on this one I concede that possibly not all CDMA PDAs come built in with MMS but why a user cannot buy a third party software and use it successfully is beyond me? At least allow the service to be used.

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#91046 14-Oct-2007 22:39

I've been avoiding this thread for certain reasons.

From a generalised support prospective: Providing support for a 3rd party application which may or may not comply with the networks implementation would be a nightmare.

Furthermore - stealing discussion from the locked down vfx devices thread - how can operators be sure what are 'real' charges and what are not? If an application that they haven't tested goes and sends thousands of photo messages, who should be liable? The operator or the user? Or if it hangs and connects to some 'off site' connection resulting in significant charges? Who then? What happens if the 3rd party client is updated and breaks some kind of handling in regard to photo messages?

I know that certain users have had issues with text messaging and radio issues when using 3rd party software (modified firmware) upgrades on the HTC Titan or HTC Apache, 3rd party software certainly can and does cause issues.

Realistically, even if you could just flick a switch and get photo messaging enabled, who would you turn to for support when things don't go the way they do? The operator (who probably hasn't tested that software)? The developer of the software (who might not have tested it on that specific network)?

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#91076 15-Oct-2007 09:54

cokemaster: I've been avoiding this thread for certain reasons.

From a generalised support prospective: Providing support for a 3rd party application which may or may not comply with the networks implementation would be a nightmare.

Furthermore - stealing discussion from the locked down vfx devices thread - how can operators be sure what are 'real' charges and what are not? If an application that they haven't tested goes and sends thousands of photo messages, who should be liable? The operator or the user? Or if it hangs and connects to some 'off site' connection resulting in significant charges? Who then? What happens if the 3rd party client is updated and breaks some kind of handling in regard to photo messages?

I know that certain users have had issues with text messaging and radio issues when using 3rd party software (modified firmware) upgrades on the HTC Titan or HTC Apache, 3rd party software certainly can and does cause issues.

Realistically, even if you could just flick a switch and get photo messaging enabled, who would you turn to for support when things don't go the way they do? The operator (who probably hasn't tested that software)? The developer of the software (who might not have tested it on that specific network)?

Good point, one i have not considered was the support infratructure required. I guess this is a disadvantage of CDMA hardware at present and one that may be sorted with GSM850/WCDMA.

I will climb back in my hole and be quiet for a while.

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#91077 15-Oct-2007 10:01

This isn't something isolated to CDMA by any means.

A certain GSM operator (hint: VFNZ) have warnings on imported handsets as they haven't been tested and can sometimes cause issues. It just happens that in most cases - they work ok. The support they can provide for those handsets is limited as they can't certify that those devices are responding to the network as expected.

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#91081 15-Oct-2007 10:10

bbman: [I guess this is a disadvantage of CDMA hardware at present and one that may be sorted with GSM850/WCDMA.

As cokemaster pointed out, this is not being solved with GSM. Operators are always reluctanct to support any handset they have not tested on their own networks first. Hence why this page on Vodafone NZ website:

Parallel imports can be a great way to save money. And it makes perfect sense to bring your overseas mobile with you to New Zealand. But unfortunately, it may not be completely compatible with our network.

GSM is not the thing that cure all diseases...

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#91082 15-Oct-2007 10:12

yes, very much so, there are all sorts of standards ans mms can be a pig to get going correctly. I tried to setup my own server a few years back and it was painfully unreliable!

Much easier just to not bother with the option. PDA's have full email clients so it's not such an issue anyway though would havwe been nice as a wish list.

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#91084 15-Oct-2007 10:18

freitasm:
bbman: [I guess this is a disadvantage of CDMA hardware at present and one that may be sorted with GSM850/WCDMA.

As cokemaster pointed out, this is not being solved with GSM. Operators are always reluctanct to support any handset they have not tested on their own networks first. Hence why this page on Vodafone NZ website:

Parallel imports can be a great way to save money. And it makes perfect sense to bring your overseas mobile with you to New Zealand. But unfortunately, it may not be completely compatible with our network.

GSM is not the thing that cure all diseases...

I am talking more about embedded or MMS enabled on the OS etc not a Third party such Arcsoft etc (i think thats the name)

But i am sure problems exist across all platforms with third party software apps. Possibly the only benefit GSM has is, PXT if built into a handset or PDA can be used here and over seas. But again not a big deal.

I will keep playing with my WM6 apache and using threaded SMS works great. PXT doesn't work but it was more if i can do it great, if i can't not the end of the world.

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