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Rincey

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#273182 9-Aug-2020 18:35
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For the last 10 days or so I have been having awful Spark Wireless connections (the previous 6 months have been rock solid).

 

 

 

I have rung Spark on 4 occasions and each time it seems to a worse experience.

 

(I got put through to a supervisor at one point, but even she just gave lip service - I was supposed to get things escalated to 2nd level, but when I rang back there was no ticket..... :( )

 

 

 

But here's the the latest thing: I got to thinking... this is only awful when I'm working from home. In the evenings and weekends, it is comparatively OK. So today I did an experiment. The connection had been OK (not that I was using it much... such a nice day, we spent most of the day in the garden :D).

 

However, this afternoon, I thought 'maybe it's my work laptop causing the problem' (I can't see how. But this is the thing about science, you have a hypothesis and you test it). So I fired up the work laptop, and then browsed the internet as per normal on my personal machine. It dropped (eventually - maybe 20-30 minutes after turning on my work laptop, which is consistent with what I would see through the week). But it did drop. I shut down the work laptop and restarted the wireless modem and the connection came back.

 

 

 

SO:

 

1) Is it possible for a device on the network to kill the connection? Doesn't matter how they are connected. My work laptop is on ethernet. But when the connection drops, my personal PC also on ethernet also drops, and my wife's laptop on WiFi also drops. 

 

It's a weird experience too. The symptom is DNS lookup failure. If I have a 'ping -t 8.8.8.8' ALREADY running, it continues fine (no drops). If I start the ping while down, then the first few packet fail and then it goes thru. But all this time DNS fails.

 

 

 

or

 

2) Is this all coincidental and there's something else going on beyond my perimeter? I have 4-5 bars of signal strength the whole time. So it's not like I am in a poor coverage area.

 

 

 

The thought of ringing Spark help desk again makes my teeth grind :( - I had one guy suggest the most illogical troubleshooting steps (eg "your LAN is overloaded"  - weird, about 2 things are on wifi, 4 devices on ethernet (one of them is a printer) and traffic through the device at the time was about 190MB in 50 minutes - not exactly putting things under load).

 

 

 

I could understand  the problem if one of the device was trying to push massive amounts of data thru and thus flooding the wireless, but 190MB in 50 minutes is nothing. (EG, we play Minecraft as a family on Realms, and I pull down the world locally to run a map render, and that can come down at 4.3MB/s  without issue.)

 

 

 

Anyone got any thoughts on next steps? I admit it's been a while since I did desktop support, but this one has me stumped. Thanks in advance.


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  #2537335 9-Aug-2020 18:53
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Rincey:

 

 

 

1) Is it possible for a device on the network to kill the connection?

 

 

Simple answer to this is yes. Historically speaking there have been a number of different routers and vendors over the years who have all struggled with DNSmasq (or similar) apps running on their router that have caused grief and continually fail. The symptom is the same - sites are still pingable but DNS lookups to the local DNS proxy fail. In every one of these cases that I've seen or heard about it's always been networks with lots of Apple devices that have caused the issue.

 

Having said that if DNS proxy issues were an issue with this router I'm sure we'd see a lot more people complaining about this.




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  #2537384 9-Aug-2020 19:31
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sbiddle:

 

Rincey:

 

 

 

1) Is it possible for a device on the network to kill the connection?

 

 

Simple answer to this is yes. Historically speaking there have been a number of different routers and vendors over the years who have all struggled with DNSmasq (or similar) apps running on their router that have caused grief and continually fail. The symptom is the same - sites are still pingable but DNS lookups to the local DNS proxy fail. In every one of these cases that I've seen or heard about it's always been networks with lots of Apple devices that have caused the issue.

 

Having said that if DNS proxy issues were an issue with this router I'm sure we'd see a lot more people complaining about this.

 

 

And that would cause all other clients on the network to drop too? :(

 

What should I look for on my work laptop? (I don't know what 'DNSmasq' is)

 

(I have no Apple devices on my network).

 

Cheers for the help.


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  #2537658 10-Aug-2020 09:45
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Rincey:

 

1) Is it possible for a device on the network to kill the connection? Doesn't matter how they are connected. My work laptop is on ethernet. But when the connection drops, my personal PC also on ethernet also drops, and my wife's laptop on WiFi also drops. 

 

 

Unlikey that a laptop would cause DNS issues on other pc's ?

 

as a test
- turn off work laptop, restart Personal PC . On Personal PC : run : ipconfig/all
      now turn on work laptop . Restart personal PC & run : ipconfig/all & compare to above. Look at DNS & DHCP server result

 

Does your work laptop use a VPN , is there a VPN setup in the router , is there another router anywhere or a wifi access point or repeater ?
Try setting a static DNS on the personal PC , that should bypass the issue untill you find the cause.




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  #2537731 10-Aug-2020 10:44
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I wondered about the work VPN as well...

 

But in the opposite direction: I had one day last week when the connection was stable for almost the whole day. So I got to thinking what was special about that day.... then I remembered, I needed the VPN on (normally I don't unless I need to get on the client's jumphost).

 

So today I experimented: as soon as I was logged into my work laptop, I fired up the VPN. That was three hours ago and the connection has been stable the whole time.

 

Naturally, while I have the VPN on, my work laptop has its DNS set to work. While the 'local' ipconfig is the router.

 

 

 

I'm still really confused how the work laptop could knock DNS out for everyone else as well.

 

I've looked at the router, and there is no VPN set up on it (I would have been worried if there was!)

 

 

 

So, I could set up DHCP to give out 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 as the DNS servers.... oh wait. Can't see how to tweak the DHCP settings on the router (Huawei B618)... sigh. (Maybe set up a DHCP server on my NAS.... sigh).


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  #2537732 10-Aug-2020 10:45
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Hi,

 

 

 

Can you please DM me your account, and the last timestamp (estimated is fine) for when your connection 'dropped'





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  #2537877 10-Aug-2020 13:47
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Been stable since @hio77 issued a fix (over an hour ago).

 

/touch wood ;) (give it 1 more day and I'll be 99.99999% convinced!)

 

 

 

 

 

Many thanks.


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  #2537878 10-Aug-2020 13:52
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Rincey:

 

Been stable since @hio77 issued a fix (over an hour ago).

 

/touch wood ;) (give it 1 more day and I'll be 99.99999% convinced!)

 

 

 

 

 

Many thanks.

 

 

Interested to hear if you know what the problem was?


 
 
 

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#2538557 11-Aug-2020 13:03
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Not sure on the root cause.

 

@hio77 knew exactly what the issue was and fixed it pretty quickly once he had my account details /raise_glass :)

 

Bit of a shame I had to get resolution through GZ instead of the Spark helpdesk - not sure why the ticket(s) (if they existed) couldn't get through to the likes of hio77 in the first place.


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  #2539849 13-Aug-2020 08:23
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Ahhhhhhh.... it's the gift that keeps giving - got my monthly bill and there was a $313.95 charge on it for the replacement modem.....

 

Currently fighting through the IVR/Hold music to get to speak to someone in technical, after the person in billing said she couldn't help me (W T A F ????)


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#2539916 13-Aug-2020 09:18
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Rincey:

 

Ahhhhhhh.... it's the gift that keeps giving - got my monthly bill and there was a $313.95 charge on it for the replacement modem.....

 

Currently fighting through the IVR/Hold music to get to speak to someone in technical, after the person in billing said she couldn't help me (W T A F ????)

 

 

 

 

After 2 disconnects and finally getting through to someone and talking to them for 42 minutes, we got to "I'll have to get my supervisor to call you back in 5-7 working days"

 

 


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  #2539943 13-Aug-2020 09:48
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Rincey:

 

Not sure on the root cause.

 

hio77 knew exactly what the issue was and fixed it pretty quickly once he had my account details /raise_glass :)

 

Bit of a shame I had to get resolution through GZ instead of the Spark helpdesk - not sure why the ticket(s) (if they existed) couldn't get through to the likes of hio77 in the first place.

 

 

The ticket in this case unfortunately got stuck in handover confusion, I've provided feedback to the relevant teams.

 

 

 

My day to day sits well outside of being a path of normal escalation, so tickets wouldn't ever come to me. I'm always about to support the teams when they need it though...

 

This issue itself is a particularly hairy one, It's quite difficult to identify it. So i wouldn't blame the helpdesk for not identifying. 

 

 

 

I'll look into the billing issue and give it a push from my side. looks to be a genuine mistake.





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  #2542710 17-Aug-2020 10:41
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Rincey:

 

Ahhhhhhh.... it's the gift that keeps giving - got my monthly bill and there was a $313.95 charge on it for the replacement modem.....

 

Currently fighting through the IVR/Hold music to get to speak to someone in technical, after the person in billing said she couldn't help me (W T A F ????)

 

 

This has been sorted now :)





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  #2544046 18-Aug-2020 22:26
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This sounds exactly like my issue: the ADSL connection remains up (according to Spark helpdesk), but every now and then, I lose internet on all devices.

 

If there is a fix, I would be very interested in knowing what it is.


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  #2544082 18-Aug-2020 23:17
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HueyHQ:

 

This sounds exactly like my issue: the ADSL connection remains up (according to Spark helpdesk), but every now and then, I lose internet on all devices.

 

If there is a fix, I would be very interested in knowing what it is.

 

 

Not relevant to your ADSL connection type.

 

Cheers - N

 

 





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  #2544185 19-Aug-2020 08:24
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ADSL connection is not the problem - it's a DNS problem, like the OP was asking about.


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